I always think it's a bit sad when I see someone talking on a cell phone or texting rather than talking to the person right beside them. It's even sadder when two people are doing it sidy-by-side, completely ignoring each other.
As for fb and living online, I'm not sure what I think about that. I can see how it would help shy teens, but I think it also isolates people.
I'm always a bit mad when I see a person neglecting the one they're with, and instead having an engaging cell conversation with someone else. Like the father at the playground with his 4 year old daughter, who kept looking at him for his attention - and it wasn't happening.
well I called BS on the article when the "negative" paragraph contradicted the "good" paragraph. First it says using FB develops empathy, then it says teens who use FB lack empathy and are narcissistic. From personal observation I'd have to agree with LACK of empathy. On top of that teens grades are going down and reading comprehension is lacking (maybe the author is a teen?)
Well, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh! Just watch the news about all the problems it has caused in schools, relationships, and it seems nothing good has really come out of it, except gossip and letting people know what ones been up to every minute of every day. Who has the time and effort to do that? If one is that shy, then it builds more walls by not facing the problem in the real world, because face booking is not the real world, and that is the problem.
Most peoplemy age would disagree with you. I on the other hand do not. Hell a friend of mine was taking me to get my car get my eyes dilated (fun right) and while she was DRIVING she decided to update her status with "I'm taking my friend to the eye doctor" I asked her if it could wait and she said she just felt like doing it at that moment. I will never ride shotgun with her again.
Kyle, the disaster you describe is not a Facebook problem; it's a problem with compulsive communication. Remember the students in elementary school that just couldn't resist talking during class? They enjoy talking, and even though they'll have a much better opportunity at recess, and talking in class is disruptive to learning, rude, against the rules and likely to earn chastisement, there were always those kids that couldn't resist doing it NOW, because they "felt like it."
They grow up to be people who can't resist the urge to communicate as adults either. Instead of yelling to the person behind them in class, now the most expedient way to share that thought is texting. So that's what they use, even if it is better to wait until they park, even though it is a dangerous distraction that can impair driving and lead to traffic fines if caught, even if it is rude to your passenger(s). There will always be people with a compulsive urge to communicate at inappropriate times in inappropriate ways, Facebook or not.
I have teen relatives, or teen children of friends and the things that they reveal on face book well lets just say the parents need to be disciplined for what these kids are getting away with. Can it be good maybe for some but parents do need to monitor what their kids are doing and saying 15 year olds talking about spending the night in a man's arm's hey Mom and Dad not good (can you say grandpa and grandma). Teens who talk about going to small town bonfires talk to some cops also not good often booze involved.
True, kids are getting away with a lot. The article says something about not bothering to monitor electronically, the kids will find out and get around it, but - don't tell them and they won't know. My cousin let me in on that, from worry about her kids, and being able to see texts, conversations, websites - VERY helpful to provide some guidance.
Tell them you saw it on "history", or they forgot to sign out and you "peeked", or just use some topic (like porno or stranger/overage weirdo) and have a little indirect talk about "choices", etc. Luckily I never saw any friend info - like about suicide - that would have caused me to be forced to "blow my cover" and let the kids know I've monitored them. Of course, they were always supposed to give me their passwords if they wanted to use my computer, or have me paying for their phones. (Phone/text peeking is helpful too, kept one "older friend of a friend" from preying on my gullible 15-year-old, at the time.) The teens get angry, but after all, who is paying the bill - and I didn't nit pick every little "F word" and the like.
The new generation of technology would not be here if the older generation hadn't brought it to us over the years. Not our fault but hey, thanks for it. Jus sayin....
I found this article to be stupid. Being a teen myself, it does not help shy teenagers at all. There is still the division on facebook of shy and not as shy people. Some people get a billion likes on a picture (that isnt that great) just because they are showing too much skin or because of their reputation of being popular. Most teenagers are NOT shy. We have a group of friends and it should not be an issue at this age to call your friends up and ask if they want to hang out.
Facebook is just stupid and distracting. I found the results of this study to be stupid. There is no way it benefits teenagers. In the longrun, yes, we can keep in touch with important people in our life. But as a teenager, we do not need to keep in touch with people in this way. Get real friends, talk to them, and don't get caught up in this crap.
I think the idea that the findings of this study are limited only to teens is the only "stupid" part, past that, everything is completely on target. When you expand into other age groups -- especially ones within ten years your senior, you see the exact same thing: people become more narcissistic thinking everyone cares about everything they do or think, they find themselves detached in some ways, are able to expand their social circles in ways they wouldn't have otherwise, and waste a whole hell of a lot of time in the process.
I find studies like this to be fascinating. Same goes for how blogs have helped to change attention spans and how people prefer to read. You see the same trend in design now, everything is headed towards being short and to the point. "Busy" design doesn't work anymore.
I don't know if Facebook was around when I was a teen or not, but I started using it after college, and I like it. I had my high school friends, college friends, and work friends, then moved again after I married, so there were 3 whole groups of people I lost touch with in a 6-year time span. It was nice to be able to get in touch with all of them quickly and conveniently. It's great to be able to share pictures and automatically see what everyone is up to, rather than have to ask each one individually. Because the prospect of seeing them again is, well, pretty unlikely. But they're still important to me.
I don't understand why teens would use it, except maybe to share pictures or contact out-of-state relatives. I mean, there isn't a whole lot of "past" to connect with when you're a kid, and you might as well interact with people you know in person. But the world is different for adults now; everyone moves, meets people from all over the world, and then loses contact. Facebook is a great tool for modern Americans who don't want to lose their friends in the process.
Sorry folks, Facebooking and texting have basically become my generation's addictive substance. The only thing hiding behind a computer has done for humans is support insanely poor grammar practices and elevate narcissism - and I'm in my 20s! It's shameful how incapable young people are of socializing FACE TO FACE, particularly with individuals outside of their own age group. Deleting my account was the best thing I ever did. Too bad most people are so hooked they, like any addict, can't understand how destructive these "social tools" really are.
Well, now they have the speech to text feature on phones, so you can almost pretend to have a real conversation. AND I agree with the lack of grammar and spelling that's proliferated the teens and young adults...The words that are in the dictionary now include things like "Nekkid", "LOL" and "prolly" most likely because it would take far more effort to instruct kids on how to spell (read: Wasting teachers time) rather than just put fake words in the dictionary...
Poor grammar practices, along with unaceptable slang is getting to be a way of life, and I'm seeing it, especially poor spelling...everywhere these days. It's a shame, because grammar is taught so everyone is aware of a standard that all can understand and be understood, not merely a select few. It seems to have lost its value in our present day society.
I fear for the future of effective communication when the shortcuts, misspellings and slang used on social networks will be the norm...and only certain groups will understand each other. Now that's a far scarier concept that the author didn't even bring up...but is occuring much more since the popularity of social networking dramatically increased. It can only get worse with time.
A beloved long ago teacher, Sister Mary George would turn over in her grave to read the atrocious grammar, spelling, and foul language found on facebook.
Ik: That, my friend was a nobel attempt at promoting a more and better developed society...which, I fear is sadly going back in time. I had always thought that it was far better to go forward in time.
Neanderthals were completely uncivilized...but that was appropriate...THEN!
I still make phone calls! And I still write letters to my grandma, too. She never joined the Internet Age, so that's how I stay in touch. Writing letters is easy, but I must admit, getting pictures developed is a pain. It's a lot easier to share photos with family who have Internet.
Seniors can really become isolated and lonely, and I think social networking sites are a great way to alleviate some of that isolation. It's sad how little many elderly people get visits from family, and since it just doesn't happen, I think it's good that there is at least a technology for some kind of regular contact.
Over the years, regional economic depressions have scattered my relatives all over the country. I don't have the money nor the vacation time to fly myself, spouse and kids to visit one of these relatives, let alone all of them. The reality of the modern age is that people get separated, and social networking sites are an adaptation to this new reality. It's either Facebook or no contact at all, and so I don't consider it a waste of time. Even if you update your status once a day! I mean, in the past, you probably saw most of your relatives every day or week, so it's the new thing. Hourly updates seem excessive, but I don't think a lot of people actually do that (though the ones who do stand out).
And please don't tell me a phone call or letter suffices. A phone call is one-on-one, whereas most families socialize in groups all at once. So posting a comment to everyone and getting multiple feedback better simulates a real social setting than does a phone call. And a person cannot see you and your children, or share your experiences as intimately, without the visual component of photos and videos that Facebook provides.
I use to get irritated when my father would complain about text,myspace,and Facebook. I am beginning to see the big difference between people now and older generations.
Yes there are great things about the social tech age, but the bad out ways the good.
We seem to lack a certain something in our social skills,or personality and substance. I notice when my older sister and brothers did things ((I don;t have the words)) but it seems as if it was real and had a certain something. The older generation seems more alert and swab.. now people seem fake you have the perfect sound,image but all empty...
I think we have a false sense of popularity, friendship, and importance because its easy to meet and hide behind things like facebook.
I think that's why- when we go out or do the things the older guys use to do, "its not the same..because its just the image of whats real in a funny way,but not real.
You have the hot guys & Girls the cool look in the club but its all so empty..
I agree; it DOES help shy teens and reconnecting is now so much easier. Without facebook, I wouldn't be able to talk to my old friends.
My parents monitor my FaceBook. It gets VERY annoying, how they ask me about many of the things I post. They'll claim even the non-offensive posts are offensive.
How bout NEW friends? NEW ideas? NEW places? NEW experiences?
Though fb touts it's progressiveness, it seems doubtful that folks (of any age) constantly whirling about in their own cirlcle endlessly can really gain new knowlege, ideas, or experiences 1st hand.
Parents monitor facebook. If not your parents, then your friend's parents. Somehow things get back through the grapevine. That's why you have the one account under your real name where you are "friends" with adults/work and the other one that you actually /use/. Same first name and people should find you easily enough.
And that's the problem, Sacrament92. The majority of these kids go unchecked on facebook so posting perverted and obscene things has become the norm. And 14 year old girls wearing next to nothing in their pictures is just turning them into preggos at even younger ages. The golden age of America is gone, and with it, the innocence of youth.
Even though I'm not a big fan of Facebook, and I use it to keep up with friends and family, there are some (friends) that want to to boast about their lives (a little too much), but that's their problem. Now, if kids want to shoot the breeze (nowadays), when gas prices are high, yes, it's a good thing, but when they are constantly on it or use it for "hookups", then no(This is where it gets to be "bad"). There always has to be parent censoring and monitoring for the under 18s, at least in our household.
Its really pathetic that people become so addicted to Facebook that they constantly be on it "updating their status" like its a huge deal. Grow up people, Facebook IS NOT important. There is so much more to life.
It's hilarious that you say Facebook is not important. There are multiple countries that are having REVOLUTIONS led by the connectivity of Facebook. It will not be long before America joins those ranks. I'm not a huge fan of social media as a recreation, but it does have power in society today. To say it's not important is just plain ignorant and dates you horribly. You may be living in the stone-age but this IS how people communicate nowadays like it or not. Read a few articles about what is happening in THIS world today. Otherwise just keep your hate to yourself, you just look silly...
I'm with Ryan on this one. I mean, cable TV is waste of time and serves little purpose. Social media, while also a waste of time in many cases, is a game changer. I'd toss it on the same list as railroad, interstates, telephones, internet, and the good ol cotton gin. This is changing the world whether you realize it or not.
My 15-year old next door neighbor posted "I give up" and "bye" on Facebook before an attempted suicide 2 days ago. Two people "liked" the comment and two others exchanged a sexually suggestive flitation to each other on the same conversation thread. I admonished these kids, saying an ambulance had shown up in front of the house and to please show support for the family. My 15-year neighbor survived her 10 hour hospital ordeal. I posted love and support for her on Facebook, and her true friends rallied around her with supportive comments. Teenagers and young adults should block Facebook "friends" who are emotionally destructive and cruel from their virtual and real lives.
Life is full of choices. My choice is to not do Facebook although I do participate in online political forums. As for the previous comments that might have characterized Facebook as "good" or "bad", my suggestion is that it's a tool. Used correctly, it can add a new dimension and help a person stay in touch with family and friends far away. If it sucks up all your free time and makes you anxioius when you can't connect to your account, then it might be time to reevaluate whether it's worth the price.
Look...technology has its place. Posting pics while blitzed at some dive is not one of them. It's like a loaded handgun. Learn to use it, and it'll serve you well when you need it most. Get stupid with it, and it'll fuque you up.
Use your head for something other than a hat rack.
I think I'm the only person in the world other then homeless people that does not have a facebook , twitter or a myspace account and do not want one. Call me old fashion but I rather talk to friends and family face to face or on the phone. My cell phone has the facebook and twitter apps but i went into the file system of my android phone and deleted the apps from the phone, as it would not let me uninstall them cause they was part of the rom.
I'm not an academic, but in my real world experience I have to say that my Generation X and older Facebook friends are 10 times more narcissistic than my teen friends are with their posting (I'm 40). I'm always thinking I will close my account the next time one of my stay at home mom friends publishes her third post of the day on how busy her life is.
It depends. Many of my nephew's friends are my facebook friends. I happened to get them started playing in a band, and they keep in contact. Older people can pass good things on as well, not just prey on younger people.
That doesn't mean that parents should not be aware of who their childeren communicate with. I know someone who continually is berated by her daughter for trying to be her parent. "It's none of your business" "You are nosy" "You are a nag" and so on. If more people parented their kids, then they would not have to worry about what their kids were doing, with whom, because they would know and be able to trust their kids. Most of the time, anyway.
Get a life............... one thing i agree with is the narcissistic attitude it seems to promote. I have a sister (50+ yrs. old) she has been a FB user for a few years and wow has she changed. She's a snarky B*tch!!!
-Facebook doesnt really help out the shy kids. I mean, its nothing to sit behind a computer screen and talk to someone. In the real world, its a completely different experience. <--- Speaking from a personal experience. On the other hand, facebook has helped me in a lot of ways. I have found family that i never even knew existed and friends that i have not seem since elementary school. I too also agree that there should be more monitoring on these sites. My friends always uses her facebook page just to hook up with men she has never even met before! Its a sad case indeed , but facebook is not the problem , its the people that make it what it shouldnt be!
Defintely monitoring is needed. The same unit that polices Craigslist for online sexual predators should get a little overtime bonus to police Facebook..
Not so much Facebook but texting unlimited too. My 16 yo daughter is constantly being told by 18,19,20+ year olds she don't have to do what she doesn't want to. That means you don't have to do your chores for your allowances,you can pierce your face stay out past curfew and that she's a whole 16 yo. I'd love to load all those hillbilly gangsta wannabe's up in my truck and droppem smack dab in the middle of the real ghetto and see how long they can retain they're hide or life.
I'm fixing to unplug both. I'm not paying out of my pocket to have some a$$cracker bum lookin for underage tail feeding my 16 yo this crap.
Take away her cell phone. Parents seem to think that they have no choice in the matter--if the child is a minor, you have control. Be strong enough to stand up to your kid!
I agree with checking your kids FB account, text, e-mail, etc..., though I don't think you have to make excuses for it. Tell them when they get the phone, account, etc... that one of the rules is that you WILL be checking it periodically, so unless they want you to read it thry shouldn't write it. We've done this with our kids from the beginning and it's worked pretty well. I'm sure it will make some kids mad, though I wouldn't be too concerned about that. Your job is to teach and protect them, not let them do whatever they want all the time. If your kids are unhappy about a decision you made, it was probably the right decision.
You won't always be around/able to monitor them, though when they are young I think you have to so you can help them learn right from wrong. That way when they are older and on their own, you have some hope that they will do the right things.
Exactly. I completely agree with you--a parent should not have to make excuses and try to get away with checking on the well-being of their kid. The fact that parents feel they have to answer to their own child is incredibly concerning and shows why children have zero respect for authority.
The thing is, if you have a tech-savvy kid, good luck monitoring them. Facebook they can simply make an alternate account, computers than can simply delete your spyware or block it (and let it run again once they've done whatever), emails are free from multiple providers so you can't possibly know all the accounts, etc. Even if you try to check "history", that's easily deleted. If the parent is techy enough to also check the cache not connected to the browser, props to them, but we know how to clear that too.
Cell phones are a stickier proposition, but that's what actual voice-calls are for if a kid knows that their parent monitors it. Records of texts are kept, sure, but my conversations sure as hell aren't. I even have alternate telephone numbers on my computer and smart phone that nobody else knows about via Google. Plus you can send texts to/from email addresses, which again, are nearly impossible to monitor.
Yeah, spying is not the answer. You've just got to raise a good kid and allow them to keep some of their secrets, because you'll never get them all and they'll just resent you for prying.
It is terrible that teens are more apt to facebook or text rather than share their opinions or remarks face to face or over the phone. I have 5 kids and we do not allow them to be on the cell phone texting or talking when they are at home spending time with the family. We have enforced that rule since cell phones became the norm. As some of the kids are now adults, they appreciate the rules and typically either turn the phone off when we are all together, or leave it in their rooms so they are not interrupted. My husband and I follow the rules as well. Neither my husband orI have any facebook, or my space accounts. We appreciate a good old fashion phone call at our home. It works out just fine. If we are busy with our family time then we don't answer the phone. It is that easy
To a degree it actually is bad for teens because I,ve seen some teens who get on there & pretend to be an adult & then try to hook an average adult talking to a teen without adult knowlege & the adult rec,ves a warning from the teens parents of possibly facing an arrest charge etc.....so yes it is bad if the parent is,nt around watching their teen when they go online. Also Facebook is,nt that important infact the entire internet is not that important to a degree but what is important is family comes first before the internet which is always a known factorin family life.
Not all teens today are "constantly connected" and "obsessed" with Facebook. I am not obsessed with Facebook and neither are about 90% of my Facebook friends. In my situation, it is true that the 10% who ARE obsessed with it show very narcisstic qualities and tend to be desperate for attention. Yes, I am a teen, and I hate hearing constant griping from adults about how we need to get off our computers and talk to each other. Most of us know how to interact with each other on and off screen appropriately and do not let our computers get in the way of our grades and relationships.
What a load of crap... These studies are biased and pointless since they are based one one group of peoples version of what normal or good behaviour is. Mainly with lack of conformity as its underlying reasoning for any bad..
Anything that doesnt turn out good little worker droids is bad...
I always think it's a bit sad when I see someone talking on a cell phone or texting rather than talking to the person right beside them. It's even sadder when two people are doing it sidy-by-side, completely ignoring each other.
As for fb and living online, I'm not sure what I think about that. I can see how it would help shy teens, but I think it also isolates people.
I'm always a bit mad when I see a person neglecting the one they're with, and instead having an engaging cell conversation with someone else. Like the father at the playground with his 4 year old daughter, who kept looking at him for his attention - and it wasn't happening.
well I called BS on the article when the "negative" paragraph contradicted the "good" paragraph. First it says using FB develops empathy, then it says teens who use FB lack empathy and are narcissistic. From personal observation I'd have to agree with LACK of empathy. On top of that teens grades are going down and reading comprehension is lacking (maybe the author is a teen?)
Well, duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh! Just watch the news about all the problems it has caused in schools, relationships, and it seems nothing good has really come out of it, except gossip and letting people know what ones been up to every minute of every day. Who has the time and effort to do that? If one is that shy, then it builds more walls by not facing the problem in the real world, because face booking is not the real world, and that is the problem.
Most peoplemy age would disagree with you. I on the other hand do not. Hell a friend of mine was taking me to get my car get my eyes dilated (fun right) and while she was DRIVING she decided to update her status with "I'm taking my friend to the eye doctor" I asked her if it could wait and she said she just felt like doing it at that moment. I will never ride shotgun with her again.
Kyle, the disaster you describe is not a Facebook problem; it's a problem with compulsive communication. Remember the students in elementary school that just couldn't resist talking during class? They enjoy talking, and even though they'll have a much better opportunity at recess, and talking in class is disruptive to learning, rude, against the rules and likely to earn chastisement, there were always those kids that couldn't resist doing it NOW, because they "felt like it."
They grow up to be people who can't resist the urge to communicate as adults either. Instead of yelling to the person behind them in class, now the most expedient way to share that thought is texting. So that's what they use, even if it is better to wait until they park, even though it is a dangerous distraction that can impair driving and lead to traffic fines if caught, even if it is rude to your passenger(s). There will always be people with a compulsive urge to communicate at inappropriate times in inappropriate ways, Facebook or not.
I have teen relatives, or teen children of friends and the things that they reveal on face book well lets just say the parents need to be disciplined for what these kids are getting away with. Can it be good maybe for some but parents do need to monitor what their kids are doing and saying 15 year olds talking about spending the night in a man's arm's hey Mom and Dad not good (can you say grandpa and grandma). Teens who talk about going to small town bonfires talk to some cops also not good often booze involved.
True, kids are getting away with a lot. The article says something about not bothering to monitor electronically, the kids will find out and get around it, but - don't tell them and they won't know. My cousin let me in on that, from worry about her kids, and being able to see texts, conversations, websites - VERY helpful to provide some guidance.
Tell them you saw it on "history", or they forgot to sign out and you "peeked", or just use some topic (like porno or stranger/overage weirdo) and have a little indirect talk about "choices", etc. Luckily I never saw any friend info - like about suicide - that would have caused me to be forced to "blow my cover" and let the kids know I've monitored them. Of course, they were always supposed to give me their passwords if they wanted to use my computer, or have me paying for their phones. (Phone/text peeking is helpful too, kept one "older friend of a friend" from preying on my gullible 15-year-old, at the time.) The teens get angry, but after all, who is paying the bill - and I didn't nit pick every little "F word" and the like.
These darn kids and their Facebooks and...their music television...
The new generation of technology would not be here if the older generation hadn't brought it to us over the years. Not our fault but hey, thanks for it. Jus sayin....
I found this article to be stupid. Being a teen myself, it does not help shy teenagers at all. There is still the division on facebook of shy and not as shy people. Some people get a billion likes on a picture (that isnt that great) just because they are showing too much skin or because of their reputation of being popular. Most teenagers are NOT shy. We have a group of friends and it should not be an issue at this age to call your friends up and ask if they want to hang out.
Facebook is just stupid and distracting. I found the results of this study to be stupid. There is no way it benefits teenagers. In the longrun, yes, we can keep in touch with important people in our life. But as a teenager, we do not need to keep in touch with people in this way. Get real friends, talk to them, and don't get caught up in this crap.
Glad to see you speak for *all* teenagers. When you grow up, maybe you'll find a more productive use for it.
I think the idea that the findings of this study are limited only to teens is the only "stupid" part, past that, everything is completely on target. When you expand into other age groups -- especially ones within ten years your senior, you see the exact same thing: people become more narcissistic thinking everyone cares about everything they do or think, they find themselves detached in some ways, are able to expand their social circles in ways they wouldn't have otherwise, and waste a whole hell of a lot of time in the process.
I find studies like this to be fascinating. Same goes for how blogs have helped to change attention spans and how people prefer to read. You see the same trend in design now, everything is headed towards being short and to the point. "Busy" design doesn't work anymore.
I don't know if Facebook was around when I was a teen or not, but I started using it after college, and I like it. I had my high school friends, college friends, and work friends, then moved again after I married, so there were 3 whole groups of people I lost touch with in a 6-year time span. It was nice to be able to get in touch with all of them quickly and conveniently. It's great to be able to share pictures and automatically see what everyone is up to, rather than have to ask each one individually. Because the prospect of seeing them again is, well, pretty unlikely. But they're still important to me.
I don't understand why teens would use it, except maybe to share pictures or contact out-of-state relatives. I mean, there isn't a whole lot of "past" to connect with when you're a kid, and you might as well interact with people you know in person. But the world is different for adults now; everyone moves, meets people from all over the world, and then loses contact. Facebook is a great tool for modern Americans who don't want to lose their friends in the process.
Sorry folks, Facebooking and texting have basically become my generation's addictive substance. The only thing hiding behind a computer has done for humans is support insanely poor grammar practices and elevate narcissism - and I'm in my 20s! It's shameful how incapable young people are of socializing FACE TO FACE, particularly with individuals outside of their own age group. Deleting my account was the best thing I ever did. Too bad most people are so hooked they, like any addict, can't understand how destructive these "social tools" really are.
And whatever happened to just calling someone on the phone? Oh no, did I just say that D:
Well, now they have the speech to text feature on phones, so you can almost pretend to have a real conversation. AND I agree with the lack of grammar and spelling that's proliferated the teens and young adults...The words that are in the dictionary now include things like "Nekkid", "LOL" and "prolly" most likely because it would take far more effort to instruct kids on how to spell (read: Wasting teachers time) rather than just put fake words in the dictionary...
Poor grammar practices, along with unaceptable slang is getting to be a way of life, and I'm seeing it, especially poor spelling...everywhere these days. It's a shame, because grammar is taught so everyone is aware of a standard that all can understand and be understood, not merely a select few. It seems to have lost its value in our present day society.
I fear for the future of effective communication when the shortcuts, misspellings and slang used on social networks will be the norm...and only certain groups will understand each other.
Now that's a far scarier concept that the author didn't even bring up...but is occuring much more since the popularity of social networking dramatically increased. It can only get worse with time.
A beloved long ago teacher, Sister Mary George would turn over in her grave to read the atrocious grammar, spelling, and foul language found on facebook.
We didn't dare say "ain't" in her classroom.
Ik: That, my friend was a nobel attempt at promoting a more and better developed society...which, I fear is sadly going back in time. I had always thought that it was far better to go forward in time.
Neanderthals were completely uncivilized...but that was appropriate...THEN!
Neanderthals were once the leading edge of "civilized" and an improvement on what had come before. Can WE say the same of ourselves?
That's why what's happening these days is totally unacceptable and beyond reason.
We are sinking further into the abyss all the time, but thankfully we still have a lot of enlightened followers to lead the way.
Never give up, guys! I won't.
I still make phone calls! And I still write letters to my grandma, too. She never joined the Internet Age, so that's how I stay in touch. Writing letters is easy, but I must admit, getting pictures developed is a pain. It's a lot easier to share photos with family who have Internet.
Seniors can really become isolated and lonely, and I think social networking sites are a great way to alleviate some of that isolation. It's sad how little many elderly people get visits from family, and since it just doesn't happen, I think it's good that there is at least a technology for some kind of regular contact.
Over the years, regional economic depressions have scattered my relatives all over the country. I don't have the money nor the vacation time to fly myself, spouse and kids to visit one of these relatives, let alone all of them. The reality of the modern age is that people get separated, and social networking sites are an adaptation to this new reality. It's either Facebook or no contact at all, and so I don't consider it a waste of time. Even if you update your status once a day! I mean, in the past, you probably saw most of your relatives every day or week, so it's the new thing. Hourly updates seem excessive, but I don't think a lot of people actually do that (though the ones who do stand out).
And please don't tell me a phone call or letter suffices. A phone call is one-on-one, whereas most families socialize in groups all at once. So posting a comment to everyone and getting multiple feedback better simulates a real social setting than does a phone call. And a person cannot see you and your children, or share your experiences as intimately, without the visual component of photos and videos that Facebook provides.
I agree with all of your posts so far JLM, thank you for your insight.
I use to get irritated when my father would complain about text,myspace,and Facebook. I am beginning to see the big difference between people now and older generations.
Yes there are great things about the social tech age, but the bad out ways the good.
We seem to lack a certain something in our social skills,or personality and substance. I notice when my older sister and brothers did things ((I don;t have the words)) but it seems as if it was real and had a certain something. The older generation seems more alert and swab.. now people seem fake you have the perfect sound,image but all empty...
I think we have a false sense of popularity, friendship, and importance because its easy to meet and hide behind things like facebook.
I think that's why- when we go out or do the things the older guys use to do, "its not the same..because its just the image of whats real in a funny way,but not real.
You have the hot guys & Girls the cool look in the club but its all so empty..
I agree; it DOES help shy teens and reconnecting is now so much easier. Without facebook, I wouldn't be able to talk to my old friends.
My parents monitor my FaceBook. It gets VERY annoying, how they ask me about many of the things I post. They'll claim even the non-offensive posts are offensive.
How bout NEW friends? NEW ideas? NEW places? NEW experiences?
Though fb touts it's progressiveness, it seems doubtful that folks (of any age) constantly whirling about in their own cirlcle endlessly can really gain new knowlege, ideas, or experiences 1st hand.
Parents monitor facebook. If not your parents, then your friend's parents. Somehow things get back through the grapevine. That's why you have the one account under your real name where you are "friends" with adults/work and the other one that you actually /use/. Same first name and people should find you easily enough.
And that's the problem, Sacrament92. The majority of these kids go unchecked on facebook so posting perverted and obscene things has become the norm. And 14 year old girls wearing next to nothing in their pictures is just turning them into preggos at even younger ages. The golden age of America is gone, and with it, the innocence of youth.
Even though I'm not a big fan of Facebook, and I use it to keep up with friends and family, there are some (friends) that want to to boast about their lives (a little too much), but that's their problem. Now, if kids want to shoot the breeze (nowadays), when gas prices are high, yes, it's a good thing, but when they are constantly on it or use it for "hookups", then no(This is where it gets to be "bad"). There always has to be parent censoring and monitoring for the under 18s, at least in our household.
I say if kids want to become to fantasieland, let them. Just wait for them to get to the real world. Sad they have to learn that way right?
keep on going.... the end results should get better!
Its really pathetic that people become so addicted to Facebook that they constantly be on it "updating their status" like its a huge deal. Grow up people, Facebook IS NOT important. There is so much more to life.
...says the guy posting on message boards...
I am not the only one smart@ss
I would go as far as to say social media is going to be the downfall of the current civilization as we know it.
It's hilarious that you say Facebook is not important. There are multiple countries that are having REVOLUTIONS led by the connectivity of Facebook. It will not be long before America joins those ranks. I'm not a huge fan of social media as a recreation, but it does have power in society today. To say it's not important is just plain ignorant and dates you horribly. You may be living in the stone-age but this IS how people communicate nowadays like it or not. Read a few articles about what is happening in THIS world today. Otherwise just keep your hate to yourself, you just look silly...
I'm with Ryan on this one. I mean, cable TV is waste of time and serves little purpose. Social media, while also a waste of time in many cases, is a game changer. I'd toss it on the same list as railroad, interstates, telephones, internet, and the good ol cotton gin. This is changing the world whether you realize it or not.
My 15-year old next door neighbor posted "I give up" and "bye" on Facebook before an attempted suicide 2 days ago. Two people "liked" the comment and two others exchanged a sexually suggestive flitation to each other on the same conversation thread. I admonished these kids, saying an ambulance had shown up in front of the house and to please show support for the family. My 15-year neighbor survived her 10 hour hospital ordeal. I posted love and support for her on Facebook, and her true friends rallied around her with supportive comments. Teenagers and young adults should block Facebook "friends" who are emotionally destructive and cruel from their virtual and real lives.
Hey Katie glad you were there to lend support her way. That girl will never forget you and her trues friends wherever she ends up in life...
Life is full of choices. My choice is to not do Facebook although I do participate in online political forums. As for the previous comments that might have characterized Facebook as "good" or "bad", my suggestion is that it's a tool. Used correctly, it can add a new dimension and help a person stay in touch with family and friends far away. If it sucks up all your free time and makes you anxioius when you can't connect to your account, then it might be time to reevaluate whether it's worth the price.
Excellent!! How I feel about it also.
Look...technology has its place. Posting pics while blitzed at some dive is not one of them. It's like a loaded handgun. Learn to use it, and it'll serve you well when you need it most. Get stupid with it, and it'll fuque you up.
Use your head for something other than a hat rack.
I think I'm the only person in the world other then homeless people that does not have a facebook , twitter or a myspace account and do not want one. Call me old fashion but I rather talk to friends and family face to face or on the phone. My cell phone has the facebook and twitter apps but i went into the file system of my android phone and deleted the apps from the phone, as it would not let me uninstall them cause they was part of the rom.
Hey you are not the only one; further more I will not do business with any company that requires I have account.
Then how you writing on newsvine you need an account.
How you on the internet you need an account with the cable/phone/satellite company.
How you getting your checks cashed you need an account at a bank.
How you using a cell phone you need an account with the company even if its a prepaid.
So your statement does not make any sense as you need accounts for most anything nowadays.
I'm not an academic, but in my real world experience I have to say that my Generation X and older Facebook friends are 10 times more narcissistic than my teen friends are with their posting (I'm 40). I'm always thinking I will close my account the next time one of my stay at home mom friends publishes her third post of the day on how busy her life is.
A 40 yr old with teen friends that just smells fishy to me.
It depends. Many of my nephew's friends are my facebook friends. I happened to get them started playing in a band, and they keep in contact. Older people can pass good things on as well, not just prey on younger people.
That doesn't mean that parents should not be aware of who their childeren communicate with. I know someone who continually is berated by her daughter for trying to be her parent. "It's none of your business" "You are nosy" "You are a nag" and so on. If more people parented their kids, then they would not have to worry about what their kids were doing, with whom, because they would know and be able to trust their kids. Most of the time, anyway.
Get a life............... one thing i agree with is the narcissistic attitude it seems to promote. I have a sister (50+ yrs. old) she has been a FB user for a few years and wow has she changed. She's a snarky B*tch!!!
And you think that is facebooks fault?
-Facebook doesnt really help out the shy kids. I mean, its nothing to sit behind a computer screen and talk to someone. In the real world, its a completely different experience. <--- Speaking from a personal experience. On the other hand, facebook has helped me in a lot of ways. I have found family that i never even knew existed and friends that i have not seem since elementary school. I too also agree that there should be more monitoring on these sites. My friends always uses her facebook page just to hook up with men she has never even met before! Its a sad case indeed , but facebook is not the problem , its the people that make it what it shouldnt be!
Defintely monitoring is needed. The same unit that polices Craigslist for online sexual predators should get a little overtime bonus to police Facebook..
Not so much Facebook but texting unlimited too. My 16 yo daughter is constantly being told by 18,19,20+ year olds she don't have to do what she doesn't want to. That means you don't have to do your chores for your allowances,you can pierce your face stay out past curfew and that she's a whole 16 yo. I'd love to load all those hillbilly gangsta wannabe's up in my truck and droppem smack dab in the middle of the real ghetto and see how long they can retain they're hide or life.
I'm fixing to unplug both. I'm not paying out of my pocket to have some a$$cracker bum lookin for underage tail feeding my 16 yo this crap.
Take away her cell phone. Parents seem to think that they have no choice in the matter--if the child is a minor, you have control. Be strong enough to stand up to your kid!
Does she pay for her own cell phone? does she buy her own gas and clothes?
If not, maybe that would be a start, teach her to be responsible.
Duh. lol
I agree with checking your kids FB account, text, e-mail, etc..., though I don't think you have to make excuses for it. Tell them when they get the phone, account, etc... that one of the rules is that you WILL be checking it periodically, so unless they want you to read it thry shouldn't write it. We've done this with our kids from the beginning and it's worked pretty well. I'm sure it will make some kids mad, though I wouldn't be too concerned about that. Your job is to teach and protect them, not let them do whatever they want all the time. If your kids are unhappy about a decision you made, it was probably the right decision.
You won't always be around/able to monitor them, though when they are young I think you have to so you can help them learn right from wrong. That way when they are older and on their own, you have some hope that they will do the right things.
Exactly. I completely agree with you--a parent should not have to make excuses and try to get away with checking on the well-being of their kid. The fact that parents feel they have to answer to their own child is incredibly concerning and shows why children have zero respect for authority.
The thing is, if you have a tech-savvy kid, good luck monitoring them. Facebook they can simply make an alternate account, computers than can simply delete your spyware or block it (and let it run again once they've done whatever), emails are free from multiple providers so you can't possibly know all the accounts, etc. Even if you try to check "history", that's easily deleted. If the parent is techy enough to also check the cache not connected to the browser, props to them, but we know how to clear that too.
Cell phones are a stickier proposition, but that's what actual voice-calls are for if a kid knows that their parent monitors it. Records of texts are kept, sure, but my conversations sure as hell aren't. I even have alternate telephone numbers on my computer and smart phone that nobody else knows about via Google. Plus you can send texts to/from email addresses, which again, are nearly impossible to monitor.
Yeah, spying is not the answer. You've just got to raise a good kid and allow them to keep some of their secrets, because you'll never get them all and they'll just resent you for prying.
It is terrible that teens are more apt to facebook or text rather than share their opinions or remarks face to face or over the phone. I have 5 kids and we do not allow them to be on the cell phone texting or talking when they are at home spending time with the family. We have enforced that rule since cell phones became the norm. As some of the kids are now adults, they appreciate the rules and typically either turn the phone off when we are all together, or leave it in their rooms so they are not interrupted. My husband and I follow the rules as well. Neither my husband or I have any facebook, or my space accounts. We appreciate a good old fashion phone call at our home. It works out just fine. If we are busy with our family time then we don't answer the phone. It is that easy
To a degree it actually is bad for teens because I,ve seen some teens who get on there & pretend to be an adult & then try to hook an average adult talking to a teen without adult knowlege & the adult rec,ves a warning from the teens parents of possibly facing an arrest charge etc.....so yes it is bad if the parent is,nt around watching their teen when they go online. Also Facebook is,nt that important infact the entire internet is not that important to a degree but what is important is family comes first before the internet which is always a known factor in family life.
Not all teens today are "constantly connected" and "obsessed" with Facebook. I am not obsessed with Facebook and neither are about 90% of my Facebook friends. In my situation, it is true that the 10% who ARE obsessed with it show very narcisstic qualities and tend to be desperate for attention. Yes, I am a teen, and I hate hearing constant griping from adults about how we need to get off our computers and talk to each other. Most of us know how to interact with each other on and off screen appropriately and do not let our computers get in the way of our grades and relationships.
What a load of crap... These studies are biased and pointless since they are based one one group of peoples version of what normal or good behaviour is. Mainly with lack of conformity as its underlying reasoning for any bad..
Anything that doesnt turn out good little worker droids is bad...