It's pretty damned Un-American to suggest that every one that dissents be thrown in Gitmo.

Hey, I'm all for civil disobedience, in the frame of Ghandi, MLK, Mohommed Ali, and so on. But remember, these folks were open about their disobedience and willing to take the punishment for breaking the law. That is what makes it a powerful tool. But what Anonymous is doing is not civil disobedience, it is vigiliantism, taking the law into their own hands. They bear more resemblence to the folks running a lynching than MLK.

Wow, waging war on big corporations using hacking. I'm sure big corporations haven't had to worry about hacking before...you know to prevent criminals from busting in.

Anonymous is just a group of losers, maybe talented at hacking, however using that talent to basically be a bunch of worthless (and potentially dangerous) anarchists. When you look at Assange and the wikileaks crowd, this is exactly what they are, and why they justify illegal activity and a selfish desire for gain in a Robin Hood cloak. Hunt down the entire staff of wikileaks as enemies and either kill them, or put them in jail forever.

I hope they know that depending on who they hack and the level of damage they cause that if caught and found guilty they can be sentenced to death.

he added. “When we break laws, we do it in the service of civil disobedience. We do so ethically. We do it against targets that have asked for it.”

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RIGHT ON MAN!!!!!!!!

You're my hero, this generation's Barringan Brothers, Daniel Ellsburg!!!! Hope you go down in history with Deep Throat, Abbie Hoffman, Jeery Rubin, etc. It's good to know vigilence has totally died in this country.

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T_Bird69

I hope they know that depending on who they hack and the level of damage they cause that if caught and found guilty they can be sentenced to death.

T bird,

Unfortunately george bush, dick cheney and their cohorts are still roaming the streets. Now there's a group that should be in jail.

I'm not for or against them. Regardless of their politics--they are good at what they do. I feel vitually the same way about them as I feel about WikiLeaks, dangerous for the information they might release, powerful because they can do it.

These "hacktivists" will be pretty hard to take down, but if the US Gov gets somebody with th3j35t3r quality talent, entirely possible.

I wish they would attack Chase , B of A, Visa, Wells Fargo...

Freedom of speech/press is such a joke in this country...it's only legitimate if you're with us but suddenly a crime when you're against us. LOL I love delusional BIGOTS! Biggest jokers of the century!

Wow, aparently when confronted with a new idea.... people immediately want these people to be A. Killed or B. Locked up forever as trash.

A great way to go about a hostile situation, yep.

It's pretty naive to think our own Intel community doesn't reek havoc by hacking. The Iranians and their Nuke plans are testimony. The problem is--they don't stop there. If they classify someone subversive they terrorize also. "No Fly", sneak a peek, no knock warrants, they use these tools on an ongoing basis.

I don't want these folks to do what they intend to do--but our own government hid the fact that 66,000 innocents were killed in Iraq--all the while, saying they did not keep those statistics. Wikileaks set that record straight. I don't think we should be privy to Intel, but how about being more transparent and honest with our own citizens?

Interesting group. Problem here, on both side of the aisle, is what if they harm the innocent in their quest for retribution? Death threats? The fact of the matter is that there is no privacy and subversive groups and individuals can do irreparable damage, as can the government and its minions.

Then there is mention of the revolutions in Egypt and other middle eastern countries. The fact is that the new wars will be cyberwars and terrorists and anarchists can wreak havoc merely by accessing computers. Think of power plants, the power grids, even something as mundane as traffic lights and personal banking...scary stuff

so far, as we know of persay, these people have been mostly as they say, giving it to the crooks, and so on. so far....

looking at this from another stand point, it exsposes how the internet can be used as a tool for self destruction. Stuxnet.... when i 1st heard about this virus, i immediatly thought "damn if this thing gets loose in the wrong hands...", and now a good chance it is. i wonder if people can grasp the concept of this virus and how easy it might be to infect anything. not sure if anyone remembers the last Die Hard movie or not, but this virus, allows someone to tap into, say a power plant, and totally f'ck it up. Iran is a good exsample. the wrong person messing with such a item, can mean literal disaster, and a good chance, they have it.... not cool.

Brown being a cocky 29 yr old, who sounds more like a punk, than anything, who is runing his mouth talking crap, is a lot smarter than some right now maybe giving him credit for. good chance he has his own plans if picked up to ensure his release. just dont be suprised if in the near future we hear about him again, and his group in a "not so positive light", meaning ya, if he and his group can do what they say they can... we might be in for some trouble.

Ultimately Anonymous has no leaders. That's a misnomer from the media because they cannot comprehend the group.

With regard to vigilantism, that's the fancy name that government give to people enforcing social norms through non-government sanctioned action. Yawn.

One thing Anonymous has never done, they have never shot a person, they have never taken away someones freedom. Governments do that. If anything the only thing they do is expose who people or institutions are without the fluffy filter. People don't like that, we like our fake persona's that aren't us and what everyone 'thinks' we are in society. The bigger the company, institution, or individual the more that persona is important, and the more they dislike the idea of it being stripped away.

Take for example Bradley Manning, ultimately someone left a careless 20 something with the keys to a lot of stuff. Manning essentially aired some dirty laundry and crast emails. Very little was dangerous to anyone but government's persona. While Manning may go to jail does he deserve to be there for the rest of his life for airing snarky emails? Did he deserve to get the treatment that was reported in solitary for that? And what about the idiot who gave this kid clearance? As Americans, why don't we have his head on a pike?

Can Anonymous get a little rogue? Some elements yes. But you can never blame Anonymous as a whole, because, as they are fond of saying, we are all Anonymous.

Manning should be released. He endangered no one. But he embarrassed a bunch of government folks and they want his head.

Whistle blowing is hard enough without these over the top tactics by the military.

Megalodon -- I completely agree with your assessment -- they sound like punks.

"Ethical" law breaking against what they determine is wrong -- oh please. Like little kids saying "I disagree with you, so I'm gonna break your toys." Combine that level of maturity with a high level of intelligence, and it's a dangerous situation.

While your guys are busy agreeing--wouldn't it be funny if nearly all of our government officials showed up on Haliburton and KBR's payrolls. That hacking could be a load of embarrassment, (and indictments).

Amazing how one type of crime the majority of you condone, yet another type of crime you condemn. That is called Hyprocrisy.

Dear sandtrich,

Is threatening people, their families, or particularly children simply dissenting?

Give me the name of the dictionary you find that in so I can be "enlightened".

Please.

The government is torturing that hero wikileaks soldier. Threatening to put him to death. What an f'd up country the US is.

Dear ZeDingo,

Before talking about "raising test scores" at least try to spell deported correctly and then try to put the hyphen in the proper position (and use it when appropriate).

Thank you.

Sorry Mr Barrett Brown,

But anonymous by its name itself is not a someone. It has no leader. It's not your personal army and no one speaks for them. Anonymous is all of us and none of us. This is someone using the name for his own agenda. And as in the past the only thing this will do is have the group of anons sure to target the speaker claiming he speaks for a group that can't be spoken for. It's an ideology. And the group itself has had members hack each others sites depending on where they stand that day. Anyone that ever claims they speak for anonymous should be the first person discredited as talking about them. And this is on the front page of MSNBC.COM. Lulz. Time for a van to blow up now , A green one if I recall

Dear some sanity please,

Remember, PFC Manning is "innocent until proven guilty" just as surely as anyone is of torturing him. Without conviction, there is no torture.

boog a loo 22, I'm not 100% convinced anyone was threatened - look who the only source for that is so far. do we really trust the word of someone who was involved in planning a disinformation campaign? especially at face value?

Te uni-bomber predicted this a long time ago. He made the claim that computers will be the demise of our country and the world, and we are dependant upon computers today that can can easily be torn down with Hackers attacking and destroying the system altogether. From Wall Street, to everyday businesses, to the emergency room and the military. One cyber virus can implode the worlds economy, and the sad thing about is, we don't even have a back up plan to sustain ourselves if tis were ever to happen. Most people have no idea on what it would be like to live without a cell phone or a computer these days.

I thought they determined that they had no proof against that poor 'private' being held in solitary. This was months ago, whatever happened to a quick trial? Something smells here....

These hackers are doing the dirty work for average class America. They should be praised, as should Wikileaks for standing up and exposing all the wrongs that the government stays involved in. We are powerless pawns, who can only vote for big time backed power brokers. If you don't sell out, you suffer.

If we don't stand up for what is right, then who will? Obviously these cats.

And hopefully more people take notice correctly. America finds Wikileaks an abomination. But America conveniently ignores the data in the leaks, like somehow it is unimportant. America is in denial, and America doesn't really care about what Jesus said, and America likes to spin ethics and morality.

These cats will no doubt (my guess) highlight this. What you do America is up to you. But don't continue to lie.

I don't know how anyone can think that anonymous is contributing anything positive in any way. Causing problems for average citizens by attacking their banks, credit card companies, etc. How is that helping anyone or anything? Simply ridiculous.

Why are all of these anonymous supporters, members, wannabes, etc. automatically thinking that just because a website stops supporting wikileaks or PFC Manning that it could only be due to governmental pressure? Maybe they get complaints from average Americans, or maybe they have their own conscience in mind!

Remember, if anonymous cannot tolerate and support everything that anonymous does then they are wrong and must be punished. ISN'T THAT EXACTLY WHAT JOSEPH STALIN, ADOLPH HITLER, SADDAM HUSSEIN, AND OTHER "GREAT LEADERS" DID AND DO? Try using your brains once in awhile rather than being a lemming.

Thank you!

Dear ES-2776290,

True, I agree with you on your point. However, it is difficult to believe much of anything sometimes...including Mr. Brown. He could be a clown with a lot of baloney to share with anyone who will listen.

Thank you for your polite input. (Sincerely) People like you give real food for thought!

This is not so much about whether you can,but rather whether you should. People demand transparency in our government. But transparent government secrets is an oxymoron. If we can see it, then everyone in the world can.

We just as well hand our country over to China, Russia, Iran, North Korea...well,I hope you see my point!

Boog a loo,

Anon members in the past have caught child molesters for the police by trolling them. And they are the reason that the Church of $cientology has lost millions of dollars from their bs tax free exempt cult as well as many members. They are the reason you can still see Tom Cruise acting nuts talking about how he can save someone cause he belongs to the Co$ and no one else ca. They have already battled that Church. Costing MILLIONS cause the church fights back trying to put a specific face with an idea

These hackers, whether they be Wikileaks or Anonymous or any other anarchistic group or individual, have no concept of the meaning of civil, in any manner. They are only out for personal satisfaction and have no respect or consideration for any citizenry of any country. They are also sadly lacking in respect for themselves. (Watch them giggle when they read this.) Anarchy is not a good thing for any living being on this world. With it, they would just be poor pathetic Humans with no say in anything and, unlike with the Internet (which will cease to exist if they continue), will have no way to promote themselves.

Organization among ourselves is an imperative as much as we may dislike the fact or the form of government (or who's currently at the head) in which we reside. There are the Organizers and those who will follow their lead. It has always been this way and always will, as long as we as a race known as Humans continue.

You who would defend these anarchists are just as bad. Don't think of the consequences and they will come back and bite you. The problem is: They will also bite those of us who just want to live out our lives the best we know how.

Bradley Manning, the Army private who is accused of leaking classified U.S. government documents. He Swore an Oath and if he broke it. He gets what he deserves, if he's found Guilty, Plan and Simple. If he did do this crime he has No Honor and he is a Coward. There were better way to expose the truth without doing what he did. as for Anonymous group, remember every dog has it's day, you better be more concerned about what Other Country's will do to you when they do catch you (and they will get a few of you) instead of what the US government will do. You think the Iranian govt forgot what you did? Have you made out a will yet?

"Think of power plants, the power grids........."

Despite what you may have see on TV its not really possible to mess with utilities, traffic signals and such over internet. About the worst thing that hackers could do on a large scale would be to mess with the diagnostics systems, which might confuse the workers but wouldn't actually effect operations.

I hear a lotta wind out of these anonymous f@ck jobbers, come on put up or shut up. You claim you are soooooo bad ass ok shut down BOA for 24hours or shut down the TSA FOREVER! I mean so far you are just running your @!$%#ing gob.

Put up or SHUT UP.

Anonymous and what they are doing is absolutely NO DIFFERENT than Osama Bin Laden and AlQuieda. Bin Laden attackes America using bombs - "Anonymous" attacks America using the Internet.

If they attack America, then treat them like the enemies of America that they will be showing themselves to be - treat them no different than we are treating Bin Laden and Al Quieda.

The worst threat to America is the threat of so called Americans trying to take away the rights of the their fellow Americans, then sending American jobs overseas to make Americans impoverished, then involving young Americans in wars that they should not be in (this kills off more Americans) and the list goes on. AMERICANS (so called!) are biggest threat to this nation. They only live for their own good and are selfish. They are the cancer of this nation!

A TRUE American loves his fellow American no mater what race, religion, gender, sexual orientation and wants to lend a hand and not point a finger. To love America means to love ALL of its people.

PEACE!

This guy Brown strikes me as nothing more than a spoiled brat who is a sociopathic, anti socialnut case! Instead of using his skills (if any other than his mouth), all he wants to do id destroy. This guy should be investigated on charges of domestic cyber-terrorism and locked away along with any of his followers.

A defiant and cocky 29-year-old college dropout, Brown was cavalier about accusations that the group is violating federal laws. He insisted that Anonymous members are only policing corporate and governmental wrongdoing — as its members define it.

Says it all right there. 29 year old college dropouts define how to police your institutions. Better than you. :P

I understand that this group is probably not composed entirely of Americans BUT why do they have to focus their attention on the US and US Corporations. I think the most effective use of their skills would be to manipulate information without being detected.

If their best move is to spam sites to achieve a DoS for an unsuspecting end user, I have one word... Amateurs. They are a bunch of Amateurs dude.

I believe that two wrongs don't make a right. It's kind of like saying that dumbF**K rightwinger is a hatemonger. Who's doing the hating then?

The US government created and controls the Internet. NOBODY IS ANONYMOUS!

Since they have declared "guerrilla cyberwar", which is an act of war, then the US should reciprocate.

Track them down and kill them. That's what our military is for. After a few of these losers are taken out the others will be sh!tting in their pants and running for cover.

If they really want to stop the corporate take over, they should go after the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

And as usual, they will only attack the US government and US businesses. It seems the rest of the world is perfect.

Anonymous and what they are doing is absolutely NO DIFFERENT than Osama Bin Laden and AlQuieda. Bin Laden attackes America using bombs - "Anonymous" attacks America using the Internet.

If they attack America, then treat them like the enemies of America that they will be showing themselves to be - treat them no different than we are treating Bin Laden and Al Quieda.

Frankly, I feel BoA, Sach, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce are attacking America. I don't believe a corpororate oligarchy is what Madison had in mind.

Do the crime pull the time, that's life, if these azz-holes think they are some how going to get away from BIG brother, they will find that being someones bit_h is how they will spend their time, they love pretty boy's in there .... LOL LOL LOL having tattoos and piercings don't make you bad, you'll find that out really quick ...

With the brazen, bold, unabash way the mega corps are manning their Repug politician puppets, supreme judges, their teabagger lemmings, trolls, and lackeys to squash and suck the life of the middle class and poor, what can this group really do that will be shock and awe??

Heck! The mega corps don't give a hoot. Look at how Faux news Murdoch, and his pet talking heads of Loon Beck, Billo, Shamity, et all, just shake off any backlash and jeers of their lies and stupidity. They just even froth more crap that can gag a maggot!

This could turn out to be very entertaining. By the way, just for your information, the US govt. and Corporate America is no longer a friend to the 'Average Joe', just to people with money and influence.

Hackers have always been one of the internets biggest scourges. Whether it be stealing accounts from little kids and selling off the accounts to other criminal punks like themselves or be it they steal your bank and credit card accounts and rob you blind to simply writing destructive progams meant to do nothing more than to wipe out our hard work and destroy our programs or computers themselves, these are actual criminals with absolutely no regards for other people's properties. Myself, I'd love to start reading how they simply started disappearing after being tracked down. They are low life scum and always have been.

You might want to know the difference between a hacker, and a cracker. Hackers are the harmless, and the crackers are those seeking to do damage. The fact that the media doesn't even get this simple thing right is hilariously priceless.

If I were one of them, I would have hacked the Government and exposed every lie they have been telling for the last several years..

If I were one of them, I would have hacked the Government and exposed every lie they have been telling for the last several years.

...wiki-leaks, anyone?

Another terrorist group threatening the United States with blatant arrogance. Lock every one up that you can for terrorism. They like to say that their reasons for doing so are so ethical, Osama Bin Laden's reasons are also ethical to him, doesn't make it right.

Anonymous is 4chan. 4chan is Anonymous. Its just a few million teenage kids posting jokes. The most radical thing they ever did was a youtube video.

If this were another country openly threatening the US with what could be damaging cyber attacks the President himself would be condemning the actions and threatening retaliatory action. We treat this as a joke because all they are going after is the government and business, and somehow this is okay for the left. If they decide to post all of BoA customers social security numbers online, for all to see, would this be considered funny? Would the left be alright with this?

Ouch. When the noose tightens around this group, which it will, Mr. Brown pretty much assured a prison term with this media confession. He should have spent a little more time studying law while honing his trade.

A free flow of information = a fully informed populace = constitutional democratic republic.

What a novel idea !

Thank you, Bill. Honestly it infuriates me when MSNBC posts these articles- anonymous has no goals, no plan, and will move back to harassing Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus fans in a few months. Anonymous and 4chan is just a bunch of pimply faced teenagers and overgrown children in their 20's who want to pretend they're important for a little while.

LMFAO!!

Only on good ole MSNBC would these left-wing terrorists be praised as heroes. And MSNBC is exaggerating the harm these punks do. I own a software company with severs here in the US and Europe. I have invited these p_ssies to break into my servers and they haven't. Either they can't or are afraid of me. If our federal government grew some balls, these losers would be history.

Liberals!! LOLOLOL!!!

always good to take a hobby and direct it towards things that will instantly get the feds up your rear. attacking friends sites and unknown sites gets nothing or sometimes threats from your ISP, thinking u to be a god and attack bigger stuff gets feds at your door and u into federal prison. I guess federal prison may have a better population than others though.

LOL! You own a laundrymat, don't you! Now get off the 'puter and go press some shirts LOL!

btw my comment was directed @ redneckCEO

This news story is completely misleading, if you are tech savy and under 30, you may or may not have ever heard of Anon before any of this started. They are being portrayed as some sort of comic book villian terrorist group. I guess msnbc is trying to dumb it down for the pickup truck crowd to get more webhits. All I see is a long article innaccurately describing some mythical DOS attack superweapon and other hacktivist activities. People volunteer to take place in these pranks, because they believe that what they are doing is right. Its a nonviolent protest, one that you can sit behind your computer and not be accosted by the ignorant masses standing up for the opposition. Its a true hive mind, democracy without all the beaurocracy. You can choose to participate or you can choose to sit back and watch. Its true that they haven't had a single target that didn't have it coming in one way or another, just look at the list. Some of you can call it vigilantism, but I don't see anybody else standing up to Anon's enemies. Sometimes doing the right thing ain't always easy or legal. Anon's actions are the only time I'd truly believe the ends justifies the means. I'm not going to bother explaining it, most of you are to old or ignorant to understand the real scope of it anyway.

This all seems novel at first but it just seems that nobody gets it. Money first off does not belong to anyone in particular... rich, poor or government. It has and always will belong to the banks. Governments oversee, the printing and supply of money. So in effect ( and this goes for all of us ), our whining about the woes of big business is just that, and any retaliatory actions we take is nothing more than a counter-offensive from out of "Lord of the Flies".

Journalists are no more than secretaries that get to write their own letters, based on their own opinions of course. When it agrees with yours, you become a part of that mob mentality as opposed to a differing one. Like Charlie Sheen versus his producers, or the US versus WikiLeaks, you choose a side and run with it, but in the long run, he who is a "member" of the banking industry wins out. Unless we of a lesser plane plan to boycott what we oppose as wrong, nothing happens and it is life as usual. These hackers or groups thereof are no different... and the reason why their efforts are short lived is because we all rely on the one thing that does not belong to us, but find the need to have: MONEY.

And until there is a universal revolt against banks in terms of commerce, true commerce ( meaning you won't buy anything ), knocking down a website, blogging about your ills does nothing. The Civil Rights Movement worked only because of the boycotts involved thereof ( the poor and middle-class make up the buying economy ), and no money creation will bring about change. So what is the alternative, if you won't revolt that strong against commerce? To join them. Produce a banking industry that warrants your merits and the change you seek about business and government and the economy and the ethics thereof would change. You can knock out a government computer installation until the cow comes home, they will just tax YOU and build a stronger one. Build a bank that conforms to the ethics of the population entire and you put the cronies you whine about out of business. If they don't succeed in your demise first.

This new era of Crybabyism ( civil disobedience as one would call it ) is nothing more than a five year old screaming bloody murder in the mall because mommy won't let him/her window shop at Toys-R-Us. At the end of the day, you go home without. The point is, all these Hacktivist and activist should band together and organize the results of moral excellence they wish to achieve within the system. If you're smart enough to break into a system and knock it down, you even smarter to break out of the system and build one up.

Spoken like a true serf. Banks do not f'ing own the money, they are there to service the money. They have in fact stolen the money by bribing the congress and devising exotic instruments, another word for racketeering. Wikileaks or whoever has been doing a great job fu--ing with our military, for that, Assange should be drawn and quartered, but the banks are not on our side. Go get em'.

To Robin Steele: I'm the best pirate in the house... and banks DO own the money. Since 1791 banks printed their own notes, up and until 1836. By 1862 banks went back to reissuing their own money again. In 1863 the National Banking Act was enacted and money as we know now materialized ( here in the US ). The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System is made up of members of the banking industry. A commercial bank can obtain notes from the Federal Reserve whenever they wish. YOU can't. This is done by debiting it's reserve account, smaller banks get their money from the larger ones. See where you are on this totem pole? Nowhere to be seen. Why? you don't own a bank, just the bitching and whining about them. Which is and was my point all along. Get ten more people to agree that I am a serf and you have the mob mentality that I was talking about as well.

You want to overcome the system to strengthen your whine? Get you a bigger bank and become part of the Booard of Governors of the Federal Reserve. WikiLeaks won't do it, nor will Anonymous.

...wiki-leaks, anyone?

Sure wish I were. ;)

I do love the social dogma people like to put on those who expose government and corporate corruption here on newsvine. Calling them terrorists was like Scientologists calling you a rapist or a murderer because you don't agree with their religious ideological cult. And I'm pretty sure a few names here are common political propagandists ;).

You might want to check out the film "War Made Easy" on Hulu.com. Especially when you have parties here that will call you "un-American", or a "Terrorist" just for having decent against a governments corruption. It's pretty interesting how social programming works. Makes me wonder how many people here actually understand information theory, or how many people have bothered to read books on the mechanics of brainwashing.

Examples and Good resources:

* Brainwashing: The science of Thought Control
* Mind Control 101: How to influence the thoughts and actions of others without them knowing or caring
* Combating Cult Mind Control
* Brainwash: The Secret History of Mind Control

Or even articles like:

http://shrink4men.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/the-mechanics-of-parental-alienation-programming-and-brainwashing/

Now this isn't to say that anyone here is brainwashed ect. This is just for informative and constructive purposes because these topics and fields of study will protect you in general.

Johnathan, thanks for once again proving my point. The constitution does not prescribe an oligarchy. We, the people created the wealth, the banks destroyed it. It was not theirs to destroy. They stole it. They have custody of the money, not ownership. They may own the currency, but can not be allowed to own that which the currency represents. None the less, as of late it appears that they have, having subverted our government to do so. You can see the result. Yet as with water, this to shall ultimately find it's own level.

BTW, The Government, MSNBC and all the news media will trumpet the fear tool on this group and label them "terrorists". ;) Yes people, those in power have a lot to lose if the common people were to actually regain power and control over their government. It's kind of funny that we forget that we have hired them as employees and not as dictators.. Just curious as to where all that went wrong o.O

Government for the people and by the people? LOL, uhh NO! That's not how it works anymore :/

So if I am a corporation I can have secrets about crimes I've committed against my consumers (captive or otherwise), the community at large, the Nation, the environment and all of Humanity and it is somehow OK and in the best interests of the American people if they are ignorant of the facts? Honestly, secrets can poison, enslave, impoverish and even kill people! Fraud, theft, polluting and deceptive trade practices should not be considered proprietary or trade secrets protected by law!

I understand what you're try to say Robin and I think we are talking about the same thing. Just going at it differently. Take this example: If the debacle we had in 2008 was done in 1791, and let's say Bank of America survived the bubble but Chase didn't... the ownership of Chase dollars would be fruitless because it would have been worthless. And that's "your" money ( based on what you had stated earlier ). All the National Banking Act did was nationalize the money so banks can have more of the same within their own competition. The custody of money is done by the Federal Reserve in conjunction with the US Treasury.

I am not disagreeing with the fact that wealth is created off the sweat of our backs, but the rules of the game ( believe it or not ) was being played fair and square ( minus lobbying ) as far as the 700 billion in TARP funds is concerned. In other words, if you allow an additional 700 billion of money that belongs to me in the first place, I have every right to keep it for myself, if there is no provision in place saying I have to share it. And nowhere in the constitution does it preface the use of money, which is why the governing body for it, is the banks themselves. While people would say therein lies the problem, I say: There lies the answer to our woes. We the people create wealth, and based on the rules of the time; if we garnered that energy to mandate ( as a business ) that same wealth instead of civil disobedience, or the cry thereof... the change we seek would be eminent, instead of the contrast and clashes we have in place now. You mentioned water, I say fight fire with fire.

All money represents is the value between the trade of services. And since we the people are not and will not resort back to primitive barter, we need to organize the institution ( not change the current ones ) of banking to the merits of ethics we as a people uphold. That doesn't take civil disobedience, Hacktivism or the like. That takes a business plan.

Asking big business or the banking industry to change from what it has conformed to is no different than asking a two year old to give the birthday gift they picked out, to the birthday kid at the party and they refused to do so, because they thought that wrapped gift belonged to them. But, by embarking on the same business as banks do ( as a conglomerate of the People themselves ) would bring about the change we complain of or are subject to. That's all I was trying to say.

"Our people break laws, just like all people break laws," he added. "When we break laws, we do it in the service of civil disobedience. We do so ethically. We do it against targets that have asked for it."

This idiot has an interesting definition of "ethical"...just like the regular terrorists do.

Too much more of this sort of Wikileaks and hacking nonsense, and the internet isn't going to remain "free and open" for very long. Seems to me these hackers are defeating their own stated purpose. If these clowns can bring down whomever they want, whenever they want, even I will support limiting the openness and freedom of the internet in favor of better security and identification of criminal players.

aquatone,

Ethics are unfortunately relative. And I don't advocate vengeful attacks. I personally advocate free flow of information, and Government integrity in terms of ethics. And it seems that you also have a problem with Ethics when you start calling people "Idiots".. And Net Neutrality is being attacked not because of Hackers ect.. It's about the control of the flow of information. Hence, you might someday have to pay a fee just to Google the answer of how to find the area of a circle. Or certain information will not be allowed to be processed or accessed to which could threaten government power, or corporate power. Careful, it always starts simple in order to get it to sell. And they will indeed exploit things like Wiki Leaks to achieve that already predetermined agenda.

Unfortunately civil disobedience is necessary if a civilization doesn't want to become sheep under dictatorships, or theocracies ect. If you think you can achieve government by for the people and by the people without crossing ethical boundaries, you have a lot to learn. And let's not forget that the American Indians got royally screwed in this deal, or drive to supposed freedom. So it's matter of how you want to play that game of ethics.

I will support limiting the openness and freedom of the internet in favor of better security and identification of criminal players.

This would just be insane, and it sounds like you would have no problem with censorship, or the removal of the freedom of speech if it meant "better security, and identification or criminal players". And it doesn't even consider the vague use of "criminal players".

It's pretty sad when you have to incriminate the flow of information. Once you do that, you lose what we call "accountability".

love news like this - job support. Bring it on cupcakes. Can only outsmart those dumber than yourself...

aquatone

even I will support limiting the openness and freedom of the internet in favor of better security and identification of criminal players.

The IPv4 protocol that allows the Internet to work, by nature, is insecure. The military threw it out in the 1960s because of it. Business then picked it up, set up ISPs, and now you want to take peoples rights away because some bonehead in a business suit had the technical foresight of sponge-bob?

It is like guns, take away the right to own one and only criminals will have them - but then again, I know how to bounce through shell accounts in third world countries undetected, do you?

I'm over having my rights taken away over ignorance...

I want to use the internet to conduct my own business, personal and otherwise, safely and securely. Everything else is secondary to me. If I can't even do that much, what good is it, really? I could get "free and open" access to a completely and inherently insecure environment, full of useless, unconfirmed and perhaps dangerously min-informed nonsense. Uh, no thanks. That isn't what I need or want.

There is no legal promise of anything with respect to the internet. It has always been free and open, thus far. If these idiots keep it up, it will not remain a free-for-all much longer. I can see the day coming when I will support shutting down online freedoms in favor of security. It's unfortunate. But it's coming to that, because of the very people who claim allegiance to freedom and openness. It is the unintended consequence of their misguided actions. I wish they would just grow up.

Business needs before freedom? That sounds pretty screwed up! Welcome to reality, business ventures are about risk! If you think you can completely secure your business in this way, you have got to be delusional. If it is at all connected to the internet, it's open to attack by those who know the system. The loss of Net Neutrality will not prevent these people from getting into your business over the internet. The loss of Net Neutrality is aimed at controlling the flow of information to the masses. Yes, those people that barely understand why their computer even turns on. It's not the hackers they need control over, it's the masses. And that is because they know they can't actually stop hackers and crackers from exploiting the system. The only way to stop them is to take the internet offline!

If these idiots keep it up, it will not remain a free-for-all much longer.

Ahh yes, more dogma from a position of pure ignorance of what you are advocating for. :/

aquatone

I can see the day coming when I will support shutting down online freedom in favor of security. Sure can.

I don't think you understand the machanics behind the internet - the Internet by nature of design, is insecure. Like trying to develop an accident-proof car, the internet would have to be completely redesigned. The best you can do is buy insurance and be a safe user. You're not going to stop my abilities by shutting down freedoms, only your own.

Even if the internet was redesigned, it would fail in respect to security. For it to even operate or be functional their has to be an open door on either end. And that is exactly why most people don't understand that internet security is largely a logical fallacy when you are playing on this level. And so of course the Media, Corporations, and the Government are going to use it as a scare tactic to remove Net Neutrality. And there is potential big business out there in regards to controlling and selling of information. Especially educational information!.

A potential example :

Google how to get the area of a circle. 1 dollar please to have access to this information while you already pay a subscriber fee and access fee to the system. Hence, comcast could charge you to access certain kinds of information even if the site itself is free. States could excise information access taxes ect.

And Comcast already has incentive to do this in order to compete with other media outlets that stream TV and Movie content.. Thus it would cost you more to stream video through Amazon On Demand than to have cable TV, or Possibly stream through Comcast itself. Thus you have a monopoly in progress. Or the consolidation of information control.

TheJackel

Even if the internet was redesigned, it would fail in respect to security. For it to even operate or be functional their has to be an open door on either end. And that is exactly why most people don't understand that internet security is largely a logical fallacy when you are playing on this level.

So true. There are to many attack vectors that are independent of the Internet (cache poisoning, malicious code, etc.), the only safe computer is the one that is unplugged.

As for information sharing and charging people to access it, all one has to do is high-jack grandma Mildred's wireless network, and then what? Damage control will only end up costing them more. It's sad, we have gone round and round with the same debate for the past thirty years, and the only thing that has changed are the players.

Well, Jonathan, if we could get everybody on the same page, we could create a new script, and abandon the dollar, and those who reign over it at the same time. That would certainly show'em. The problem is, entrenched in the current system, what's lost is the fact that currency must move freely, the wealthy are the clog in the arteries of the financial system. The problem is not a lack of money, it's a lack of motion. Near the turn of the last century, the robber barons, rail, steel, etc were subjected to controls to prevent what is happening now. This must recur, the rich must be separated from their excesses, so that the other 99.8% can lead our lives.

Sound like a bunch of smart-aleck kids with too much time on their hands. If they are really this tech-savvy, then they ought to be out there starting their own businesses and corporations to employ other people and make the world a better place.

They are apparently rebelous, with even this "propogandist" being a anarachist, they definately don't care for working with the Govt or a business.

Silverton--perhaps they can be independent contractors for the CIA--appears their talent in that field is superior to our Intel community.

I dont know what is more scary: our corrupt corporate scammers or the hackers who punish those who they don't agree with. At least their intentions are good, but who are they to decide who should be taught a lesson. Today, the extreme opinions that people passionately hold are easily found everywhere, so often a story is inflated, people and organizations are overly vilified, and we are oversold and influenced. Nobody is above it; neither you nor I. we all get duped (especially those who watch Fox ;P).

hacking government websites or computers and servers of corporations of a certain size should be a felony.

these people have no right to commit vandalism to make their political statements.

I wish they would make this crime a felony.

Life is but a game for these twits engaged in frivolous frippery!

Ask VISA and MasterCard if they think this is frippery.

sandtrich,

I like your suggestion that these guys should work for the CIA, but I fear with their apparent lack of moral ethics, they would end up as double agents.

I dont think so, these "kids" seem to be making a statement. They may one day wind up being our best friends...a comment was said earlier they should be employed because of their skills. I wouldn't discount them so quickly they are our future. We as a society have the responsibility to teach our youth, and no one is without purpose. Perhaps they have something to teach us as well.

looks like or for fathers did to the british. just a tea party with out the coke brothers

The real point here isn't about whether these guys are heros or criminals that should be put to death... or anything in between. The real question is why do we live in a society that requires a group like this for us average people to find out what is really going on behind the curtain?

I wonder if so many people would take up pitchforks and demand Anyonymous heads if they knew how deep the corruption really runs in government and private business and political organizations? An activist group such as this that answers to no one can certainly be a danger to society but it seems manifest that they are currently doing more good than harm... since exposing corruption is good for everyone. Free information is almost always good for citizens.

Right be friends with people who can screw you over if you're not sensitive to their view. That sounds like a wonderful relationship to have.

If Anon had any real balls they would've have gotten more support from other audiences from a larger social base than just other hackers (come on really sure they are smart and all but leave the rest of us out of this, talk about supporting your fellow man!). Plus there are different ways than threatening someone like you're going to take their lunch money away( Talk about High School much?) .

But if anyone knows about guerrilla warfare it typically has no bounds in who gets hurt. This has been seen over and over in combat in REAL-TIME. It's just as well will harm people who want no part in it indirectly one way or another.

LightWeaver, I could give you a list of people your comments should be levelled at and the hackers wouldnt be on the list.

Yes lets show the entire world all our dirty little secrets! Let's keep nothing from the world. Lets blow in their ear and be nice then the hole world will be a better place. A place where honesty and integrity rule. Now if you believe even one small piece of any of those previous statements is true then you really are a moron! Haven't you learned that political correctness and fair play in the world only gets you killed? Any time you limit yourself to a specific set of rules, and others do not, you lose! I would think that they would be more interested in learning what China's dirty little secrets are so that they can help someone rather than hurt their own country.

The real question, is exactly what the NSA might chose to do with these individuals; and whether some thoughts wrt Enemy Of The State, for those who saw the movie, might cross the minds of some. Law enforcement alone, is not the only tool some might have, if they chose to go black ops on this sort of thing. And when the gov'ts for instance chose to freeze up Gadhafi's funds, it wasn't just getting arrested that despot has to think about.

Thing with Manning, he wasn't a simple whistle blower. He put everything out there, without any redaction on identities, to minimise harm to security assets. There is a big difference between what Manning did and how he did it, vs what many whistle blowers had done in the past. The intent of the individual behind the Pentagon Papers for instance; wasn't to destroy every military and intelligence asset in his time, hell let along without having tried to work within the system first. Hell forget not being on the same page; these 2 weren't even in the same book on that front. What manning did, was practically in line with giving troop locations away to the terrorists... This is arguably such a far cry...

And when people's lives are thrown in harms way? Uhh, well this group probably doesn't even care. Hell they even seem apt from their own admission to be after destroying careers; which on that front almost puts them on par with Karl Rove, when it comes to professed morality. And to be clear, after readong about Rove, I considered him a bit of an amoralist on that front.

This news story is completely misleading, if you are tech savy and under 30, you may or may not have ever heard of Anon before any of this started. They are being portrayed as some sort of comic book villian terrorist group. I guess msnbc is trying to dumb it down for the pickup truck crowd to get more webhits. All I see is a long article innaccurately describing some mythical DOS attack superweapon and other hacktivist activities. People volunteer to take place in these pranks, because they believe that what they are doing is right. Its a nonviolent protest, one that you can sit behind your computer and not be accosted by the ignorant masses standing up for the opposition. Its a true hive mind, democracy without all the beaurocracy. You can choose to participate or you can choose to sit back and watch. Its true that they haven't had a single target that didn't have it coming in one way or another, just look at the list. Some of you can call it vigilantism, but I don't see anybody else standing up to Anon's enemies. Sometimes doing the right thing ain't always easy or legal. Anon's actions are the only time I'd truly believe the ends justifies the means. I'm not going to bother explaining it, most of you are to old or ignorant to understand the real scope of it anyway.

Randy-2190191

Agree. Even the HB Gary attack was social engineering, not hacking (a girl called the helpdesk and got root access). Does make you wonder why anyone contracts HB Gary for their "security services" though...

Most of the postings here are from what appear to be a lower form of primate. You know... "Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil". Also, shades of Scooby Doo - "If it weren't for those meddling kids"...

It was the mayor?!!!!

lex...My statement was hardly meant to encompass all boys raised by single moms. When a single mom raises a boy, or girl and treats that kid like a companion, playmate or pal, you get a kid ill prepared for life. Just my opinion as an old fart. Glad your kids are more capable and was raised better.

By its meaning you wouldn't know if either son is a member. They can go on a /b/ and help one night and depending on your terminology of a group that can't be identified very much apart of it

Anonymous sounds like a bunch of gutless cry babies, much like ELF and ALF.

They are smarter than most of us here, and have the courage to actually fight for what they believe in. The rest of us can go back to eating cheetos and armchair activism.

Lex-

So you children's "guidepost" has always been against taxation without representation under British rule, or do you, like John Boehner, not understand that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are not the same thing?

Lex-

Seriously, please explain.

Also, can we get a further definition on "computer geek school". I have a degree in Computer Science from a University and was never even told of a "computer geek school" option. Damn my guidance counselor!!!

For we are many.

Yes we are!

And you're all morrons.

get a life

Yes, stupidity tends to be very commonplace.

When the government gets very tired of Anonymous, don't be really surprised when its members start turning up dead.

They have gotten into the government's computers and should know by now that this happens. Yes, they have the ability (the "might") to ruin people's lives--everyone knows they can do it. The government, however, has physical might and legal might--this will not last.

Right now, they are being coy--they are letting this fellow talk to the press. Very soon, this person will die in a car "accident," of an odd "cancer," or will simply disappear. What is not to their advantage is that people like myself, who would normally decry such actions, will just say, c'est la vie.

Anonymous types have already hacked my computer because I had the audacity to give a student the grade he deserved rather than the one he thought he deserved. I didn't appreciate having to replace a piece of equipment that I personally owned simply because I had a snarky student with excellent computer skills but no critical thinking skills--I'd love to show you the piece of crap he turned in as a research paper.

There's a little saying called "hoist on one's own petard." Anonymous might want to look up that little phrase.

Bean@home

Yes, stupidity tends to be very commonplace.

Bean@home,

You are correct. All one needs to do is read many of the posts on this site and other sites to realize stupidity, ignorance, racial intolerance, hatred, etc., etc., is alive throughout the world. Many are the times I really hope people do not believe the garbage they are posting.

You mean LEECHES... in your mommy's basement.

Bean, most of anonymous is aged around 13-25. They aren't going to start killing america's young.

We are Legion.

You guys are taking Fallout - New Vegas a bit to far. :P

Dude...Great game!

Never played F:NV. Have played Mass Effect 2 (there's a reference to it in there.)

Mark 5:9 for all you Bible kids out there.

Or more relevant: It's part of Anon's motto.

Hmmm, I only play Bejeweled and only to keep my fingers from freezing up in a nasty wicked witch claw. Nevertheless, as an ancient computer operator, I cheer Anonymous on. I would be proud to be the mum of any of them, or I guess the grandmum.

My hopeful next target: Citi

Mass Effect 2 also rocked.

Prisons??? For what?????? Government hot dogs NEVER pay the price for their actions.

Go figure.

Good I am glad !!!! Do you hear me GLAD !!!

Until something happens to you personally, and then I doubt you'll be so glad. And, yes, that is a possibility...farfetched as it may seem at the moment

Maybe they can hack my ex-wifes brain and erase her memory so she wouldn't be threat to the world anymore. :-)

The truth is, they could probably post documents showing how your lender has been unfairly and illegally jacking up your mortgage and miss-using the money you give them.

That's why this group of hackers are dangerous to the establishment, most people are clueless to the thousands of ways they are having their money stolen from them every day, and the people stealing your money don't like it when the masses are informed about it.

The funnest thing about it is: when you do inform people that they are being robbed people are such sheep that they don't really do anything about it anyways, and the people who rob you know that, but when they get caught it costs them money to have to apologize on tv and in the media and promise to fix things (which they never do)

Sadly, these kids think that by exposing the corruption and illegal dealings of the establishment it will prompt people to get active and stop it, but people are sheep, and all they want is to be promised that the government or big business won't do it again, even though they know that promise is a lie, but the hacker kids are too young and idealistic to have figured out yet that people in spoiled countries like the US are fundamentally cowards and don't stand up for themselves, all the luxuries have made the population of the US soft and complacent.

We have so much, we are now used to half of it being stolen every week from all sides.

Yet Idealists will never be satisfied with anything since it is not ideal and imperfect.

Please dont attack PayPal, I need to buy a thing or two on evilBay...

Quick, someone send them a copy of Fight Club.

This is just their latest "thing". The first I heard about them they were exposing the truth about the cult *cough* I mean Church of Scientology (which has NOTHING to do with real science). Then I heard about them trying to expose the Koch Brothers and their use of corporately funded mind manipulation techniques to fabricate grass roots movements as well as the use of corporate funds for buying out politicians.

It doesn't surprise me that they would side with Wikileaks. It seems to fit their MO. However, this will shoot their efforts to take down the church of Scientology in the foot. I mean, they do need a certain degree of government cooperation in order to get that goal accomplished.

Anon hasn't cared about scientology since it happened. They did it more to mess with them than anything. Kinda like burning a bible in front of a christian.

What ever happened with the Koch brothers, it sure did die down quick.

Wonder if they would turn their lazer like focus on, say, George Soros

iPan,

How is it that you, or anyone else, can decide that you speak for me?

naw, lock them all up. they do nothing useful.

That was not a consensus among Anon. Although communication between someone claiming to be 'Them' and the church did occur, it was not done by the central intelligence of Anonymous.

Anonymous stands for free speech. It is therefore self-destructive for them to attack the church who are exercising their basic right (however perverse it may be). However, the ones who oversee Anonymous did later release information on how to attack the church...if someone was so inclined.

That being said, I wish Anonymous would attack the Church. I'd be fine with the Red Cross getting an Anonymous donation from the westboro church's fat accounts.

It's all GOOD. They're heroes!

Heroes u say? Then tell me since when is ruining a business a good idea? it creates a hole in the market which lowers our economy further into the @!$%#hole we were just in by getting people fired/laid off/what have u. and ruining peoples lives? didnt they threaten paypal for what they are doing to everyday citizens who get caught up in the mess of their cyber attacks because that is obstructing that persons pursuit of life, liberty, and "happiness" which is after all what the US stands for in the first place! how can these immature asses ruin anothers life?

now before yall start retaliating about Manning not having legal defence well its the @!$%#ing military since when did the military care about traitors to the country i mean he SOLD OUR MILITARY WEAKNESSES he shouldnt deserve a lawyer from the country that would ordinarily hand him one why? because NO TRAITOR DESERVES THE SAME RIGHTS AS ONE WHO MERELY BROKE A LAW!

sure there are issues but these issue CAN be fixed without terror without crime and most definately without ruining the lie of say your family/best frend all because the company they work for did some thing wrong there is a reason why we have democracy in america so please before u do @!$%# like Anonymous USE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dalton you missed the main point of the Original post.....by a long shot.

RationalThought-2682008 : So Anonymous stands for free speech ? And it is totally normal to tell diplomatic secrets according to you ?

Free speech has its limits when it comes to threat to someone or an entity.

Maybe you would like your friends to know your most embarrassing moments after all.

VD: better to destroy a corporation than a human.

Manning: innocent until proven guilty.

chris-1399438

As you can see by context, I was referring to a previous comment about Anonymous targeting the Westboro Baptist Church. A representative of Anonymous was quoted as saying they stand for free speech and therefore would not target the church.

And yes, some would say that these 'diplomatic secrets' SHOULD be released to the public. Not everyone believes a citizen appointed republic (that means American government buddy) should have the ability to hide information from the people who appoint them power.

And for the record, I'm not one of these people. But I blame Assange and WikiLeaks for this, not Anonymous.

VD,

Bank of America needs to go away RIGHT NOW. 1st of all, why American citizens aren't making use of local credit unions is beyond me; personal service, mortgages @ low fixed rates, no fees, did I mention no fees?!! Do you know what BofA earns annually off fees alone? Yet, they'll tell you that its how they make payroll. HORSEHOCKY. They could make a killing @ 1/2 % interest, yet they'll charge you 8 to 19%. They have to, you ever seen the seven houses the ceo needs to maintain? This is just one 'big' USA business, yet there are thousands just like it, with the same sucking sound....

Is America headed for its OWN revolution?

Are you referring to Big Business or Anonymous?

Hard to say.

"Anonymous members collected personal information on company employees, including Social Security numbers, home addresses and the names of their children. Some employees received death threats"

I do believe you consider yourself terrorized if you started receiving death threats, had your social security number stolen, had your home address put out on the internet, had the names of your children put out on the internet. I don't care who the hell the person is, YOU DON'T PUT CHILDREN IN DANGER!

ab: Yeah, I was thinking exactly the same thing. Doesn't seem too benign or noble when children's lives are placed in jeopardy.

"throw the book at them and let them rot."

Funny how when its a group of citizens doing what they believe is right (and at most inconveniencing the targets), even though its technically illegal the government shares this mentality of throwing the book at them. Yet when government officials/agents break the law (Torture, Murder, Unlawful detainment, property theft, invasion of privacy) for far less moral reasons they get at most a slap on the wrist. I would call it hypocrisy but that seems to be understating the problem severely.

I would want to see some solid evidence that they did threatened anyone before foaming at the mouth about it...

Go read the article again, that's what they're accused of doing...as to solid evidence, they're Anonymous, remember

I realize there are laws regarding computer hackers, etc. But is it breaking and entering? No one, is actually breaking into or entering, a building. And who really has a right to cyberspace? I mean once you put your garbage, at the curb is it illegal, for someone else to take it? We all take rays from the sun but do those rays belong to someone? What about air? Who has the right of way air? Should we be paying air tax? So many questions, so little time.

That they haven't physically entered a building in order to take what wasn't rightfully theirs is still stealing. If someone hacks into your bank account and redeposits the money into their bank account leaving you with nothing, would you take that as a theft of your assets? If there are programs set up to prevent someone from accessing your computer and they go around those programs to access the information would you call that theft? Do you personally own the sun? Can someone own the sun? Actually, with cap and trade they can tax you for air, that's what's so ingenious about it.

right,

I would say yes it is breaking and entering,

since you are accessing the "door" to their accounts like any other person who uses Identify Theft.

It's just as well that banks use a sophisticated way of identifying their users online (more so when using the phone to get online help). This insures that the person has their assets in a secure "vault".

In that sense YES it is indeed a B & E when someone decides to still your money regardless of whether it is at the bank or online bank. As well as the right to privacy about personal matters especially things like family when it involves children who AREN'T EVEN PART OF IT TO BEGIN WITH putting their safety at risk too. No Parent wants their child being exploited for politic crap, using them just to make the people targeted by Anon more willing to cave in.

What law states that it is not stealing when a bank account is emptied and the contents of said account are moved to where the account holder

A. doesn't know where the money is

B. Is unable to access said account and didn't authorize the removal

C. Placed money rightfully his in the account in the first place?

And to answer your question Lost, no. No, he did not say anything remotely like that about the women you assume he raped

lostflorida,

It's called vigilantism.............another crime.

Jamie,

Anybody can be arrested at anytime on 'suspicion'........it is up to the accusers to prove, via evidence, the perpetrators guilt in a court of law. That's how "innocent until proven guilty" works.

Assange needs to be strung up by his balls, if he has any.

Very interesting response Jamie, when Anonymous attacks, does he/she become judge, jury and executioner? Who does Anonymous submit to? Certainly not me or anyone else here.

How easy it is to let the devil run free when you think the devil is on your side.

They are "judge, jury, and executioner"... vigilantes - same old term, with a new twist. Vigilantes are usually admired, until that time comes when they cross a certain line, and it turns out they were wrong about someone they "hanged". Oops. So, hope they take care...

I like the Devil, and he is on our side. He was the only one who refused to kiss gods egotistic ass.

Besides, hell is where the booze and loose women will have a date with the likes of me.

I may be going to hell in a bucket babe...But at least I'm enjoying the ride.

Is that you, Charlie Sheen?

Nope, just some log-haired varrmit thats going to hell.

Remember people, sheep go to heaven, goats go to hell.

;)

Hairfarmer do goats go to hell because they eat anything?

No, But that will probably pay off.

Goats go to hell because they are inherently evil...LOL

Sheep...They follow a shepard.

They've been doing this for quite awhile. Doubt they're main reason for this is attention towards them.

Terrorists have plenty of people chasing them. Sometimes, the people in charge of corporations do not have any form of checks and balances.

Watching the pachyderms Shmuck!!!

If we're to measure our terrorist "catching" abilities as per the Osama bin Ladin Rule, well they've got at least 10 years before they need to worry. and my screen name only means that I didn't care to come up with some creative name months ago when i started posting.

why dont you do your part and "out" those "2 or 3" you speak of ...

You remember that line from Batman "Some people just want to watch the world burn" ?

That's Anonymous.

They don't particularly want terrorist to be caught.

They want chaos to spread.

Because they are bored and in need of lulz.

No doubt! This is no different than the "Pentagon Papers" issue except in the virtual age. Corporations and the top 2% elite have conducted a criminal conspiracy since Reagan handed them the keys to the US in the early eighties.

I applaud these people. Take down those who steal 9 billion of our money from the Fed first ok? Then the Wall St thieves who profited off all homeowners losses which they created by fraud.

People can believe the propaganda of the Assange character assasination all they want but reality speaks for itself.

The powerful want to continue the free ride of criminality as long as they can so truth to the people of corporate plutocracy needs to be heard IMO.

Midnight, You need serious help..........

Don't forget Kellog-Brown and Halliburton!

Don't forget Tony the Tiger Buster Brown and Tim Burton!

And then don't forget to pass that joint toker.

:)

I have to agree with that, I once tried to get ahold of president of bank to advise him of situation with family members account, when I got high enough up the ladder I got, don't bother trying to send anything to them, they dont get their letters, bascially your wasting your time....Well when you forget the pillars that helped create you, then you are really doing something wrong...America votes with its dollar, I for one vote all the time, so do you....I saw what is happening now coming along ways off, I am just surprised it is happening so early.....I do not condone some of the things that have alledgedly happened, but watch dogs are part of this society and have been for many generations, part of the balance of our society. The first of this breed started along time ago, some will become intel I am sure, but I must say I feel alittle better knowing the next generation cares, crazy as that may seem it is a different world now, they are voicing themselves and as they grow they will make a better world I hope. Being a single parent, if these are children of single parents, well society produced them.

Yesssss, Peyton Manning for the Nobel Peace Prize. What, he's done nothing to earn it, you say? ...imagine that...

^ hasn't read a single doc on wikileaks.

That was true 5 years ago. It is not true now. Macs have close to the same number of viruses as PCs. Seems the hacker world took it as a challenge that mac users were bragging about being virus proof.

Bull@!$%# if Macs don't get them

Macs get viruses! A trojan virus just came out and the Mac anti-viral protection is far behind others. The only reason Macs haven't had many viruses is because the Mac hasn't commanded enough of the market share, so it hasn't been worth anyone's while. I personally cannot wait unitl more hackers take on the Macs and shut the macfreaks up.

Macs were never immune to viruses, they were just not "coin of the realm", so that "for-profit" pirateer hackers decided that Macs were not where the money is, but PCs operating on Windows were. Similarly, dialup modems are about as unsecure as you can get but nobody much messes with them either.

"Mac anti-viral protection is far behind others."

Ridiculous - Apple invented the firewall.

"Macs were never immune to viruses, they were just not coin of the realm"

A myth, as well - perpetrated by PC users trying to belittle Mac with statistics. Everyone drives a Camry, I prefer a Porsche.

“ ... Ridiculous - Apple invented the firewall. ... “

Lol, now that's funny. A quick Goole search found this, and I quote ...

" ... Most security experts trace the firewalls roots, back to work done at Digital Equipment Corp. in the late 1980s by Jeff Mogul, Brian Reid, and Paul Vixie, starting with the gatekeeper.dec.com gateway, as well as to Mogul's "screend" technology. ..."

Jan 15, 2008 by Kelly Jackson Higgins
Darkreading

So Apple invented the firewall huh? You do know that OS X is basicly just “pretty” on top of BSD code don't you? And that, is the real reason that OS X is so secure.

And I suppose that you think Steve can walk on water too?

Apple. Inventing much of anything. Pffttt!!!!

Apple invented the firewall? You probably believe Al Gore invented the internet as well...

As a poster above stated, Mac OS is just a closed BSD kernel, as is the OS for the iPad, iPod, iTouch and iPhone.

Thanks for the laugh.

Also, no viruses for macs?

Open up note pad and enter:

rm -rf ~/

save it with the .sh extension, email it to your ex.

when she / he open's it, her / his home directory will be erased.

Now you know...

Actually, what your "lawmakers" are doing is treason.

Ipan,

How's the weather in Panema this time of year?

Treason against the united states of corporations?

ladyvet,

If they are Americans living on American soil, then it's treason.

If they are American or foreigners living on foreign soil, then it's called international spying.

Yeah, Inconvenience a bunch of companies and government officials/organizations ruining the country and its treason? Yet those same companies and government officials/organizations who are robbing us blind and attacking our constitutional rights are patriots? War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength.

lying to the american public and sending our troops to fight in an illegal undeclared war, all the while profiteering off of said illegal war is treason.

exposing those treasonous leaders for what they are is the ultimate in patriotism.

Ano:

Knowing the difference between each is a good skill to know too.

Nothing you can do about it. Not one thing. These people see unjustice and they do something about it. They don't bomb civilians, they attack centers of power that fund the military. That's smart. That's just. WHen our own government lies to us over and over for our own good, I have a hard time getting mad at Anonymous.

The problem is, whose standards of 'justice' do they follow? When the day comes that they 'accidentally' dox some innocent bloke because he looked at some Anon'ers girlfriend the wrong way, or decide that they can do this to anyone who merely displeases them, then the sh*t will hit the fan... That is, if we aren't all cowed into submission by the new Big Brother... Beyond that, Wikileaks is a breath of fresh air.

I appreciate the fact that you make a clear distinction between America and the free world. Or was it a Freudian slip?

I do not believe that there is an ideology behind Anonymous.

But then I also believe there is nothing to fear. Sit back and relax, it'll only take a moment of your time. Just about he same time as a soundbite.

In that time, as we have seen in the past 6 weeks, entire landscapes can change forever.

Fear controls...they are not targeting the masses, I can tell just from what I have read. I don't think they can be or should be compaired to those who have no regard for humanity. Look at the world today, breathe...

They already have. Because of 9.11.01 and the Patriot Act meant to protect Muslim's from attacks which was losely written, the Patriot Act has given the corrupt businesses in America another tool to force American's to vote a certain way, watch a certain t.v. show or believe a certain thing once it has been deemed that the person is a "political disturbance" of which is covered in the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act also allows businesses to go into a person's past record of employment top try and "stave" off possibly returns of what happened in the person's past by using illegal wiretapping methods along with ISP's releasing a "political disturbants" IP in the internet world where everything that they do is monitored and made too sound like a possible terrorist act where the person is then forced to give up their freedom of speech and sit inside of a church with their hands folded being a good little boy that never stood up for theirself but was merely a fool of a sheeple.

Yes America the Taliban and Al Qeada forces are beating America. How? By making laws such as the Patriot Act that takes freedom of liberties away which are then replaced with 'spirited' reprogramming of the person's mind be a conformist.

The US government originally trained and hired Al Quaeda. Payback is a b****.