Did Neanderthals have sex with modern man?

Yes, of course they had sex (men haven't changed much).

Oh sure... Why does it automatically have to be the men to get the blame? Isn't it just as possible that there were some overly flirtatious neanderthal females looking for a new and improved, more evolved, leaner lover?

I say maybe it's possible that neanderthal chicks were hard on the eyes, but easy in the cave, if you know what I mean....

What about "nice homo sap girls" wanting to do the wild thang with some big bad neanderthals?

Checked out the broads who hang with 1%er (outlaw) motorcycle gangs? Sonny Barger's top girl was a beauty queen. This is common.

Female homo sapiens go for bad boys and big bad boys.

So of course they had sex. I'll bet they had sex a lot when they could. I'll bet that if you brought some neanderthals forward in a time machine they would have hot blonde chicks hanging off them.

Ha! Good point!

Only some Homo Sapiens have a taste for the exotic, and I wouldn't have minded trying a Neanderthal woman in my younger days.

No doubt that Neanderthal women would also be involved looking to "marry up" to the new, successful kids on the block.

All stupid jokes aside, there is no way two separate species produced offspring. And, even if they did, the offspring would be sterile. If hybrid offspring was produced that could breed and spread the genome to modern man, we aren't separate species.

That's right. Some have suggested we were each sub-species of the same species. Changing terminology to match data is what science is all about.

That's not what the article says though.

Yeah, so what. MSNBC is as careful using proper terminology as I was in high school newspaper class.

A true understanding of Neanderthals' place in our family tree will probably not come from an MSNBC.com article.

I'd like to know if they passed any alleles on to us. I doubt it, but it's worth looking into.

We don't know id they were different species or not. Morphologically, we think they were different enough. But the ability to hybridize is another criterion for species definitions, so if we don't know one, we can't know the other.

Species is a fleeting term. We have a lot of modern human couples that are unable to conceive, a small fraction of which may blame actual genetic incompatibility.

WTF is that supposed to mean? Racist.

john toradze Sonny Barger lives a bit down the road from me! You would not know who he is if you saw him on the street. Seems like kinda of a decient guy. Just rides his horses and his new Victory most of the time. His past does creep me out though. Sure wouldn'y want to piss him off.

The neanderthals may still be amoung us. Look at the line on NFL teams. Ya some of those guys get the hot girls too.

Neandertals (the more generally accepted spelling) were NOT "less evolved" than we are. Terms like "highly evolved" and "less evolved" really have no meaning in biology because evolution has nothing to do with "getting better and better" by some external standard that has nothing to do with survival. A tapeworm is as "highly evolved" as Einstein.

Actually you are incorrect jock. You need look no further than many of Obama's Czars and especially at Senator Harry Reid and California's Nancy Pelosi for living proof of such couplings!

Hey y'all. Check this out...

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/neanderthal-code-3228

This was originally on about a year ago. (That's when I caught it.)

It pretty much shows without directly stating it as fact that humanity, as we know it today, is a direct result of of the mixing of the Neandertal and Home Sapien gene pools. They even show that bodies have been unearthed that were the result of this hybridization.

The next airing of this is on November 14th, at 9:00 am Eastern on the National Geographic Channel.

I think it would make a bit more sense that result of of the mixing of the Neandertal and Sapien gene pools created Home Sapien. Now it's just a matter of who peed in who's gene pool! Ewwww!

Being a Christian, my perspective on this is somewhat different, I prefer to search for Biblical reasoning and here is my theory:

Could Neanderthal man have been the elusive "Land Of Nod" people that the book of Genesis claims Cain went out into and found a wife from after he was banished from the Garden of Eden??

That's the only way that I can think of to justify Cain being able to go out and find a wife if he, Adam, and Eve were supposedly the only people made in Gods image on Earth at the time. So the people of the Land Of Nod had to have been a separate race of people(Neanderthals??) that existed on the earth before man. Maybe that's how we diluted their gene pool??

Now ..let all the religion bashing begin..;)

Jock: There were more than a few "contriversal" specimens. Who or what was found and interviewed by a Russian Army Lt. in 1944??. It wasn't dead or even sick. I wonder what happened to that individual. I serious believe that civilization is and has been for the past few years, being prepared for more than is announcement.

You guys are a hoot!

That's the only way that I can think of to justify Cain being able to go out and find a wife if he, Adam, and Eve were supposedly the only people made in Gods image on Earth at the time.

Creative!

Then there's the standard explanation offered by medieval rabbis and Christian scholars:

Adam an Eve had many unamed children in the course of 900+ years.

Cain took one of his sisters as a wife and had children with her.

The legend goes on to say that all of Cain's descendants were evil and drowned in the Flood, except for Na'amah, the future wife of Noah.

They had sex? I doubt it.

First, mitochondrial (mt) DNA from Neanderthals doesn't share with modern Homo Sapiens mtDNA, which just about proves there was no interbreeding of the two, or at least no viable off-spring.

Second, Neanderthal seems biologically closer to chimpanzees than to Homo Sapiens. It may be that some romantic scientists have anthropomorphized (uh, made human-like) Neanderthal when in fact these homonids probably looked more like a Yeti or Sasquatch. Or Cousin It. I'm thinking Neanderthal was probably as sexually unattractive to Homo Sapiens as chimpanzees are now. And Neanderthal may have thought the same of Homo Sapiens.

Third, Neanderthal may have viewed Homo Sapiens the same way some human cultures see monkeys: food. Homo Sapiens invaded Neanderthal territory. Neanderthal saw these invaders as a new food source and may have had the upper hand for awhile, until the Homo Sapiens overpowered them by sheer numbers. Maybe Homo Sapiens made them sick, gave them some disease that eventually wiped them out. On the other hand, maybe Neanderthals taste like chicken...

Sex? I don't see the two species being compatable at all, sexually or otherwise. If they were, there is no reason why they shouldn't be alive today.

Clearly the Neanderthals were more intellectually advanced than Homo Sapiens are; because who would ever create, let alone watch shows like the Kardashians or Jon and Kate plus 8, if they were from an intellectually advanced species. I could list hundreds of other programs that prove my theory that we are indeed no better intellectually than the Neanderthals were, just more upright.

Seems there is ample evidence to link the GOP. Notice the slanted forehead, inset eyes, and the knuckles dragging. Eerie isn't it? However, they refuse to come to grips. Admission is the first step to recovery. Tap all the toes you want, at the end of the day your still in denial.

Of course they had sex with us. Especially towards the end.

The girls all get prettier at closing time.

im-in-hell wrote "First, mitochondrial (mt) DNA from Neanderthals doesn't share with modern Homo Sapiens mtDNA, which just about proves there was no interbreeding of the two, or at least no viable off-spring."
You'd have to test a lot of people to prove that there was no inter-breeding, right?

We havent changed so much in ten billion years....

Hey, "hit it and quit it", what the heck. Worked for them!

There is a theory that Beowulf is the oral account of such a contact between the two. Sure it is glamorized and made into an epic drama, but at its core, historians are connecting this.

Indeed, your are correct. There's theories on that. I wouldn't put it past our ancient races to have interbred. It would make sense. There are some mules that aren't sterile, though it's rare, so it would be a possibility.

Really? Have they found archaeological evidence that Neanderthals were proficient tinfoil-hat-crafters?

I don't think they had metallurgy, so they probably had to do with some other kind of hat.

If their homines sapientes contemporaries had discovered alcohol already, that really would explain a lot.

Need to check Rush's DNA!

Ha.... I'm guessing she doesn't frequent newsvine very much, otherwise you might catch a stone axe to that evolved cranium of yours!

lol

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Dang, even for me, that's messed up...LOL

Of course, evidence of this union can be seen hosting "Meet the Press" every Sunday.

Truth is like poison for some.

Are you CRAZY?  Sarah Palin is NOT an Neanderthal.  Everyone knows that a Neanderthal could not ride a snow machine or shoot a rifle (although several have previously been elected to office in Alaska).  Sarah is likely some form of early, early Homo Sapiens...  just smart enough to speak, but not quite capable of planning what to say. 

Perhaps a Maverickasapian? Or a Neandergoshdarnitall?

She gets my vote, she has an American birth certificate.

So does the current president (since I knew what you are insinuating).

where is it? he wont show it and has spent millions trying to hide it. soros had to break his piggy bank to hire the lawyers

he has a drivers license, he went to an ivy league, he was a senator. You don't think that maybe people would have noticed by now if he lacked a us birth certificate?

maybe he's too busy trying to get some work done to play games with idiots who think america somehow gave its most powerful seat to a foreigner

Even though this is off topic... FYI You do not need a Berth Certificate for any of the items mentioned. That is why The Governator is in a lawful post. I cannot name on a State-by-State basis, which ones require State citizenship. But the office of the President requires one to actually be born in the Republic.

Cases are still pending litigation. Here's one of the more known ones. http://obamacrimes.com/

There are even multiple ones from various people in the military as they need the proof that he is the LAWFUL (not legal) Commander in Chief.

NOTE: Misspelling is on purpose for those in the know... Also, I do not vote for president as that is done by the Electoral College.

Starting the first of the year you will need your birth certifcate to get a drivers license in Indiana. If you had a name change bring the name change documents plus a current bill to show current address (PO or APO). The final item is the license will be mailed to you.

Someone please tell Ron from Portland he is incorrect.

We hybrids are quite trainable. We can ride sleds (no longer referred to as snow machines) and shoot rifles.

I have proof. Every morning when I look in the mirror and every year when winter comes and I start smiling for no known reason.

There were that many Republicans around back then?

chickens, donkeys, goats.....

Those Neanderthal girls may have been excellent charmers. Given that men enjoy boffing the occasional goat for the fun of it, I'm sure that Neanderthal would have satisfied a taste for the exotic.

Ungroomed, unwashed early Homo Sapiens were no prize, either.

Actually, when I was a kid, I saw a picture of what Neanderthal looked like, and immediately got all excited. I've had a thing for hairy guys ever since. Can't wait for someone to create a time machine. I know exactly where my destination would be.... :)

Neanderthal girls were all dimocrats,just look how unpleasent they are to look atNancy,Hillery,Janet,Barney,Barbera

You mean, how else can you explain Obama!

yessir!

Toosano: How can You explain: The Soviet Colonel had never seen anything like it in his life. Inside the freezing shed, he was confronted by the sight of a heavely hair-covered nake man whose physical appearance wasw a throw back to a bygone age. The man had been captured by Soviet troops who suspected he might be a German spy and had brought the poor unfortunate in for interrogation. Or continue to explain why an authoritative individual like "Montaug" would state " It is clear that insofar as the word has any meaning, the Caucasoids are the most primitive of human races and not the most evolved if we choose to regard human refinement as man's distance from ape-like physical traits. It seems reasonable to suppose that we Caucasoids are tan indentifiable group because of the primitive and bestial physical characteristics we inherited through Neanderthal genetic input. And, just as an aside, our Eurasian fossil hominoid history clearly shows the Causcasoids are probably the most mixed and least pure race of any human group.

So are you saying that you wish you were black?

The Neanderthals weren't able to cut in the modern world. Just like most voters of this-oops won't go that far!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

I guess if they had been able to leech off the system, like this lady, they'd still be around!

And just for fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

Unbelievably vile rhetoric. And absolutely nothing to do with the topic. The level of hate some of you wallow in is astounding.

I'm not a big fan of Republicans, but I still condemn this kind of rhetoric. yes, you can say it's "just a joke," but then too many people can get away with it NOT being a joke. Seems safest to stick to basic human decency.

Jock, I wouldn't take newsvine too seriously.

I don't, and I've seen a lot worse, but I don't suppose at can hurt to remind ourselves occasionally.

Newsvine? Newsvine is an outlet for discussion of current events. Nothing more. It is the mentality of some posters that is the problem. A problem that allows a glimpse into the ugliness that is being mainstreamed by a few pundits that care about nothing but money and fame.

The truly sad thing is that you can't trust ANY media outlet to give you an unbiased reporting of the truth. None. So, we get lies and half truths from the media, and then asinine commentary on same. There is no discussion.

Meanwhile, our treasury is robbed, our healthcare sold out, and our best and brightest sent to kill and die in foreign nations.

We need to seriously wake up.

Best and brightest? Sorry but I know some of those people and I would not consider them best or brightest. They are just tools, they joined because they weren't too bright and wanted the good benifits that the armed forces have to offer. (Don't take this personally, I am not speaking about all solders.) Some of our best and brightest are the people that are creating new business, inventions, jobs here in America. Not to mention creating the armors, weapons and technology that our helping to protect our soldiers.

Having said that, I do agree with the fist part of what you said.

Are you kidding? I haven't seen a "Republican" since Ronald Reagan died! (Bush was a Radical Leftist.)

Probably because they had the Moolah to PAY for it ! Once in a great while Republicans take to Slumming!

Hmmm? Now that I think about it, you might have just solved the entire "where did we come from" conundrum! It's all very clear now! ~_o

Sex with a homo sapian... So easy a caveman could do it.

Our species is plenty aggressive enough. We invented war, remember? There's no evidence that Neandertals were that "advanced".

bull they had to fight. if a clan moved into your hunting grounds their would be conflict. its the law of survival. especially when they lived in a massive ice age.

you beat me to it.....was going to offer the same about liberals

Libs are progressive. Dose this describe RL?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/03/photogalleries/neanderthal/

Most commonly in western Europe (perhaps partly because we've been looking there the longest), but there are specimens as far as central Asia.

The western coastal regions of Spain and France seem to be hotspots.

I think it is somewhere in Spain that they made their "final stand."

thanks everyone

[[I think it is somewhere in Spain that they made their "final stand."]]

Yes, their last stand was in the peninsular regions of Europe--Spain and Italy. No bad ethnic joke implied.

They would have had to have been fossilized and fairly deeply buried.

This is in the Science section. It is perfectly legitimate. Some of us are actually interested in science. I wish the news corps did more of it (and better).

Sorry, jock. Science doesn't sell in America...unless it's a science product that purports to increasing the size of one's tallywhacker.

Cain killed his brother ABLE, and took his wife, wich would be his older sister. They left the mountain together as God insisted they do so. They were bannished together.

Sarcasm is lost on fundamentalists.

Riiiiiiiiiight.... Cain and Abel... This was after the talking snake tricked humans out of paradise with a magical apple, but before that guy that lived in a whales stomach for 3 days.... Oh and then that guy with the super human strength that disappeared after he got an unscheduled haircut....

BUT IT'S ALL TRUE... REALLY!!!! Hey... I got an idea lets base our foreign policy, and in fact our entire evolution as a species on this book of fables and parables, because these guys.... um... I mean... God... wrote such a kick ass book... how can it possibly go wrong?

I got an idea lets base our foreign policy, and in fact our entire evolution as a species on this book of fables and parables...

You just described the last administration!

Gotcha!